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Nov 13, 2015 15:31:25   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Discovered through reading another way to correct a white balance.

Can you post a few samples that I can look at and test?

Thank you.

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Nov 13, 2015 16:00:02   #
Bob Yankle Loc: Burlington, NC
 
Sure, here's one to play with.


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Nov 13, 2015 16:36:45   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
You could always use an editor to shift the white balance in a way that suits your planned tests, then try your new technique to correct the images. And if you threw in a bit of extra noise, you'd be in your element :-) .

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Nov 13, 2015 17:56:27   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
R.G. wrote:
You could always use an editor to shift the white balance in a way that suits your planned tests, then try your new technique to correct the images. And if you threw in a bit of extra noise, you'd be in your element :-) .

And you introduce an element that is correctable.

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Nov 13, 2015 17:59:44   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
Sure, here's one to play with.

There is no WB problem here a bit of brightness and contrast, that's it.

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Nov 13, 2015 19:31:11   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
There is no WB problem here a bit of brightness and contrast, that's it.


I agree it needs brightness and contrast, but I put it into Lightroom and used the WB eyedropper on one of the cards (bottom of image, at center). There was a shift in temperature and tint.

LR adjusts WB by looking at the R,G,and B values and adjusting temperature and tint to make them equal.

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Nov 13, 2015 20:28:05   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I agree it needs brightness and contrast, but I put it into Lightroom and used the WB eyedropper on one of the cards (bottom of image, at center). There was a shift in temperature and tint.

LR adjusts WB by looking at the R,G,and B values and adjusting temperature and tint to make them equal.

Look at the original histogram...

There is true white in there that is not over exposed.

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Nov 14, 2015 09:16:59   #
wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Discovered through reading another way to correct a white balance.

Can you post a few samples that I can look at and test?

Thank you.


Hope these work for your project





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Nov 14, 2015 09:31:54   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
wowbmw wrote:
Hope these work for your project


Original?

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Nov 14, 2015 09:55:27   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
wowbmw wrote:
Hope these work for your project

You are not likely to get a satisfactory balance for this image because there are several light sources with different color characteristics shining on different parts of the image. To make matters worse, much of the light appears to be fluorescent, which is a discontinuous source.

Here is an adjusted version based on the assumption that the tiles are black and white checkerboard. I used the white tile in the lower right and the eyedropper in PSE. It took only one click.

There are several other places in the image where you are safe to assume that there is a pure white or gray color that could be used. For example, the "US" in the upper right or the background of the sign in the upper left. Maybe the vanity plate is supposed to have a white background. The vehicle itself is probably black and white but the light color varies all over it. If you base your white balance on any of them you will see the color shift according to the color of light shining on them.

Rongnongno wrote:
Original?

To adjust the white balance you do not need the original. The thumb-nail is good enough for illustration purposes.



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Nov 14, 2015 10:09:50   #
wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado
 
The child image was taken with my cell phone. Here is another "original" just converted from Raw to jpeg.

Rongnongno wrote:
Original?

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Nov 14, 2015 10:12:00   #
wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado
 
The child image was taken with my cell phone. Here is another "original" just converted from Raw to jpeg. I'll repost the original and check store original on one of the others or find another image that I have not yet white balanced in pp.

Rongnongno wrote:
Original?


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Nov 14, 2015 10:25:43   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
wowbmw wrote:
... Here is another "original" just converted from Raw to jpeg. ....

There is a similar problem here. The light is fluorescent (there is a green spike in its discontinuous spectrum) and, although there may be only one color of light source, once the light is reflected around the image after striking large colored objects (like the floor, the walls and the appliances on the right) the overall illumination becomes mixed. You can't even assume that the appliances on the left are pure white.

I tried to balance this one by pointing to the light source itself.


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Nov 14, 2015 10:55:30   #
wowbmw Loc: Grant, Colorado
 
Both of your corrections are certainly much better. Thank you. I shared these mostly because the op wanted some images to try out his solution. I have learned from you about the issues associated with this type of lighting. Since I moved around so quickly through this venue, I did not take the time to custom white balance. Think that would have helped. Sometimes there may not be short cuts.

selmslie wrote:
There is a similar problem here. The light is fluorescent (there is a green spike in its discontinuous spectrum) and, although there may be only one color of light source, once the light is reflected around the image after striking large colored objects (like the floor, the walls and the appliances on the right) the overall illumination becomes mixed. You can't even assume that the appliances on the left are pure white.

I tried to balance this one by pointing to the light source itself.
There is a similar problem here. The light is flu... (show quote)

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Nov 14, 2015 11:07:53   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
wowbmw wrote:
The child image was taken with my cell phone. Here is another "original" just converted from Raw to jpeg. I'll repost the original and check store original on one of the others or find another image that I have not yet white balanced in pp.

I am trying different methods.

So far ACR seems to give the more consistent results but that will also depend on your monitor being calibrated... When the other do not



Had to use JPG due to size :(
Had to use JPG due to size :(...
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