First Nikon Full Frame
Nov 16, 2015 20:53:35 #
wdfbpf wrote:
Well, I've read about a thousand pages, looked at ... (show quote)
I looked at this one on ebay at Photovideo4less and noticed under Manufacturer Warranty it says "No". Which means it is grey market. The store may offer a warranty but Nikon doesn't. In fact I was told by a local camera store that Nikon USA won't even work on it, even if you pay them. Not sure if that's true but it kind of sucks if it is. I don't see why they would refuse to work on it as if out of warranty other than to punish someone for not buying the US version. Oh well, something to consider.
So I guess it's a gamble regarding service if it ever needs it.
Me personally... I would go for the D7200. :) I almost got one but landed on the 24-120 f4 lens for my D700, maybe I will spring for a D750 sometime. Oh and by the way, I got the lens grey market for $554. Guess I'm the gambling type. :)
Nov 16, 2015 21:45:48 #
wdfbpf
Loc: Huntsville, AL
I should be receiving another Refurbished D7100 tomorrow from Adorama, so it will have a one year warranty.
It is a fact that Nikon will not work on a gray market camera, so I would never knowingly purchase one. Actually, I've owned many Nikons over the last 40 years, and never have I had to have one repaired.
I would purchase a gray market lens if the price difference was significant.
It is a fact that Nikon will not work on a gray market camera, so I would never knowingly purchase one. Actually, I've owned many Nikons over the last 40 years, and never have I had to have one repaired.
I would purchase a gray market lens if the price difference was significant.
Nov 17, 2015 00:39:03 #
wdfbpf wrote:
The loss of using my 18-200 would be significant. It is not my best lens, but it is the one I use most for my walk-around lens. Maybe I just need to decide whether to get a 7100(Refurbished for $599) or 7200 (New for $1099)?
I am a happy owner of both the D7100 and D7200. I wouldn't have upgraded but for having dropped and broke the D7100, but after the upgrade, I managed to get it fixed for a reasonable cost by Nikon. I thought it might be totaled from some other things I had read though.
The primary difference, has been noticeable better low light performance with the D7200. ISO noise is about the same, but the D7100 Toshiba sensor was noted for some ugly pattern noise, and the D7200 has a different sensor made by Sony, and I have noted a decidedly better performance in bring out shadow details when either a bit under exposed or just a dark portion of the image.
I also had a D200 way back when, and both are far superior simply due to the vast technology improvements, although I think the D200 may have been built tougher. They both still have some toughening.
I think with your current collection of lenses you'd be very happy with either, and may not gain too much going full frame.
Nov 17, 2015 00:41:36 #
If you shoot moving objects of any kind...sports, birds, etc., I would def. consider the D810 which has Group Area AF Mode like the most recent releases of Nikon's highest level pro cameras. This in itself is worth putting out extra bucks, not considering that the 810 may be the best digital camera available.
Once you do buy a ff Nikon, you should put the 24-70mm f2.8 lens on your list. Save up. We all have to budget (well, most of us).
Once you do buy a ff Nikon, you should put the 24-70mm f2.8 lens on your list. Save up. We all have to budget (well, most of us).
Nov 17, 2015 08:53:47 #
wdfbpf wrote:
I should be receiving another Refurbished D7100 tomorrow from Adorama, so it will have a one year warranty.
It is a fact that Nikon will not work on a gray market camera, so I would never knowingly purchase one. Actually, I've owned many Nikons over the last 40 years, and never have I had to have one repaired.
I would purchase a gray market lens if the price difference was significant.
It is a fact that Nikon will not work on a gray market camera, so I would never knowingly purchase one. Actually, I've owned many Nikons over the last 40 years, and never have I had to have one repaired.
I would purchase a gray market lens if the price difference was significant.
For the most part I would tend to agree with you. As for me the lens was half the price of the USA warranty version, and that seemed worth the risk.
If you look around there are probably some good shops that will repair Nikons that are not owned by Nikon that will repair gray market.
I guess if you live in Europe, buy Nikon and move to the US you lose your warranty... Seems silly to me.
Nov 17, 2015 11:05:19 #
wdfbpf
Loc: Huntsville, AL
I have read several reports that said Nikon will not ship parts to a non-authorized Nikon repair shop to repair gray market cameras, but I'm not sure how they would know what the part was being used for???
You raise a valid point about moving from Europe to the U.S. and losing the ability to get your equipment serviced. I guess Nikon would say you have to send it back to Europe for service. That might make the international warranty a worth while purchase.
At this time, I don't own either a gray market camera or lens, but as I said before, considering the fact I've never needed one repaired, I don't think it would be that big an issue with a lens. Of course, Murphy's law would dictate that my first gray market lens purchase would necessitate my first need for local repair, but I still think I might go for it if the price was right.
I think I need to forget about FF at this time and just use the 7100 and enjoy the upgrades it offers to my D200 and D2X. I just checked the shutter count on them and my D2X only has 20,523 and the D200 only 9,518, so I haven't exactly worn out either of them at this time.
Although I have never been one to recklessly use continuous shutter release, but I am afraid I may have been a little too conservative at times. I have a tendency to at least think I have what I want before I pull the trigger. Not always the case!
One thing I am sure of is that under "ideal" conditions we can get a great photo whether using an old camera or the latest model. The latest model just makes it easier to change some of those conditions.
You raise a valid point about moving from Europe to the U.S. and losing the ability to get your equipment serviced. I guess Nikon would say you have to send it back to Europe for service. That might make the international warranty a worth while purchase.
At this time, I don't own either a gray market camera or lens, but as I said before, considering the fact I've never needed one repaired, I don't think it would be that big an issue with a lens. Of course, Murphy's law would dictate that my first gray market lens purchase would necessitate my first need for local repair, but I still think I might go for it if the price was right.
I think I need to forget about FF at this time and just use the 7100 and enjoy the upgrades it offers to my D200 and D2X. I just checked the shutter count on them and my D2X only has 20,523 and the D200 only 9,518, so I haven't exactly worn out either of them at this time.
Although I have never been one to recklessly use continuous shutter release, but I am afraid I may have been a little too conservative at times. I have a tendency to at least think I have what I want before I pull the trigger. Not always the case!
One thing I am sure of is that under "ideal" conditions we can get a great photo whether using an old camera or the latest model. The latest model just makes it easier to change some of those conditions.
Nov 17, 2015 14:33:36 #
wdfbpf wrote:
The loss of using my 18-200 would be significant. It is not my best lens, but it is the one I use most for my walk-around lens. Maybe I just need to decide whether to get a 7100(Refurbished for $599) or 7200 (New for $1099)?
Don't get them wrong your 18-200mm Lens is not useless on a Full Frame Camera.
That is very miss leading.
Craig
Nov 17, 2015 15:06:09 #
wdfbpf
Loc: Huntsville, AL
Craig,
I see there seems to be many who think we can't use DX lens on an FX body. My understanding is that DX lens will work on an FX body, but there may be some vignetting at the lower end of zoom lens but it is normally corrected by zooming out just a little.
I would assume that virtually all the vignetting with most any lens could be corrected with a little cropping. In many cases, there should be no action required when using a DX lens on an FX body.
I see there seems to be many who think we can't use DX lens on an FX body. My understanding is that DX lens will work on an FX body, but there may be some vignetting at the lower end of zoom lens but it is normally corrected by zooming out just a little.
I would assume that virtually all the vignetting with most any lens could be corrected with a little cropping. In many cases, there should be no action required when using a DX lens on an FX body.
Nov 17, 2015 16:32:00 #
wdfbpf wrote:
Craig,
I see there seems to be many who think we can't use DX lens on an FX body. My understanding is that DX lens will work on an FX body, but there may be some vignetting at the lower end of zoom lens but it is normally corrected by zooming out just a little.
I would assume that virtually all the vignetting with most any lens could be corrected with a little cropping. In many cases, there should be no action required when using a DX lens on an FX body.
I see there seems to be many who think we can't use DX lens on an FX body. My understanding is that DX lens will work on an FX body, but there may be some vignetting at the lower end of zoom lens but it is normally corrected by zooming out just a little.
I would assume that virtually all the vignetting with most any lens could be corrected with a little cropping. In many cases, there should be no action required when using a DX lens on an FX body.
The FF Camera automatically changes to DX mode when you attach a DX Lens.
Craig
Nov 17, 2015 17:31:57 #
wdfbpf
Loc: Huntsville, AL
Is that true of all FX cameras? I know the newer one change to DX mode, but did the early ones like the 600, 610 or 700?
Nov 17, 2015 18:15:30 #
wdfbpf wrote:
Is that true of all FX cameras? I know the newer one change to DX mode, but did the early ones like the 600, 610 or 700?
Since the D3, Nikon's first DX body, in the "Shooting Menu" under "Image Area" is an ON/OFF selectable option for "Auto DX Crop".
The default is ON. If set to OFF the next menu item allows setting any of the available image size options manually.
For example if "Auto DX Crop" is ON, mounting a DX lens will switch to DX image size mode. Of "Auto DX Crop" is OFF the size manually selected from the list will be used, and if that is FX then full size images will be produced, with vignetting or not.
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