JPL

If you want to have a closer look at this I can send you a raw (DNG) file so you can do your own research on the quality of this sensor ;)

SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

I have NO Doubt that phone cameras will surpass today's cameras soon.
If not this month, then sometime.
To doubt that is to be like the mule who sits down. ;)

Many phones surpass the DSLR's of not very long ago. Just a fact of life.

teesquare Loc: USA

That sounds very...."absolute".. Are you sure you want to drive a stake in the ground there partner? :lol:

I think that sensor size, pixel size/pitch, and the lack of optical zoom are all considerations of the physics involved in making fine images ... the camera pics I have seen are fine for in small size, but I have not seen any phone camera images blown up and printed by the same size references we use for "real" cameras.
I am open to seeing comparisons tho........And open to learning some things.
I keep reflecting on the current state of...reality in our marketplace.. Whereby just now we have real cameras with 50 megapixels ..in FULL FRAME sensors....
So - I would really like to see some shots with very high pixel count phone cameras - compared side by side - same shots same conditions, etc.. with a real camera of equivalent resolution.

If anyone has that - or can direct me to a link, I think that would be where I can draw a faire conclusion from. Make sense?

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

:lol: :lol:

SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

My first digital camera was a Casio pocket digital. With a whopping 1 mega pixel sensor. Circa 1995.
I could average about 50 jpg's before I had to download it.
Flash forward...
My outdated phone has a forward and rearward camera, and uploads the pictures to Dropbox as they are shot, as well as storing them to a removable micro SD card.
And my phone surpasses the Olympus pocket camera I shot Alaska with June 2014.

Point being, yep, these danged-able phone cameras are certainly going to surpass your DSLR.
It's just a matter of time.
And not everybody, in fact few, want to print posters. Why bother? I can view any picture I take, or that you care to post, right here on a 32" very high resolution monitor.
Any time, any day or night. No printing needed, and I don't have to leave the comfort of my home.
And I can zoom in or not. I can pick it apart at the pixel level.

Now, when will you get up and pull the cart?
You are only costing yourself the rolled oats and molasses waiting back at the barn. :)

jethro779 Loc: Tucson, AZ

I tend to think your middle name is Maytag.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Post it here. The site is capable of handling up to 20 MB files!!!

teesquare Loc: USA

Now, when will you get up and pull the cart?
You are only costing yourself the rolled oats and molasses waiting back at the barn.

Not sure I understand the metaphor.

Because - what I am asking for is verifiable evidence, and not conjecture. I understand that you are convinced - or have "faith" that phones will supersede cameras, but before I delve further into why I see that as something no manufacturer that makes both would do - or that any manufacturer capable of making either would do...
Back to refresh what I asked earlier - and I will state it simply:

Is there anywhere that we can see equivalent high megapixel shots for side by side comparisons between a phone with a built in camera vs a stand alone camera?
I would like to see them. What I think I expect to see ( but again - I am open minded and if something has changed recently, I want to know...) is that the quality of the phone shots cannot match the quality of the camera shots. Why? Physics and our current technology clearly illustrate that larger sensors, with larger pixels yield higher quality photos. Photos that can be printed large, and still hold up to scrutiny.

If in turn - if your postulation is that current phones @20 megapixels can produce the same quality of photos as a 20 megapixel full frame digital camera...I want to see it.

If your postulation is based on "well its looks the same on my monitor" - or "it looks good enough for the internet" - I can buy that.

But they are in no way "equal" - if said prints cannot be turned into comparable quality printed images.

THAT is my quest for information. I have 2 large printers. I do print some shots. So, it does matter to me. It may not to you, or others - I get that.

HeyYou Loc: SE Michigan

An interesting discussion ! Thank you R. for as usual taking the trouble to explain technical questions.
And - BTW - that pixelated throat area on the download looks like someone didn't wash their neck or a dermatologic condition !

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

There are two thinkgd about digital technology that I believer are true:
1. In the beginning, the marketeers are always ahead of the engineers, and
2) given enough time and space, the engineers always catch up

Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey

I am tempted to jump into this issue every time I see someone taking a photo with a cell phoe (? maufacture) that seems to go one better than my DSLR in terms of brightness, color clarity (WB), readiness, nofuss setup, low light performance, and ability to avoid motion blur without the agonizing "now let's see, what should be my ISO, and , and, and.....!

Let's face it! Camera technology is maturing, in other words, it only makes baby-step progress despite all the glowing reveiws from all those web sites that depend on that stuff for their existence. Cell phone technology on the other hand, has a lot of room to grow....at the expense of cameras.

RRS Loc: Not sure

I agree with all your saying, I shot film, Hasselblads, for years before changing over to digital. First camera was a Canon 5D MK II and I've added several since then. Cell phone cameras have also come a long way but I feel it's a game played by both camera and cell phone manufactures, that's how they survive. When they make a cell phone that I can strap to a 600mm f/4.0 lens with a 1.4 TC and get 14 FPS I'll think about it and I don't see them making an equal to that very soon. I very much enjoy the stone age that I am now stuck in. :lol: :lol:

foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC

If Microsoft makes it it must be loaded with bugs. LOL

James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

One HIGH Energy Pulse ( i.e. atomic bomb detonation - or asteroid "smacking" ) And we are Back To The WET PLATE process...

I stand prepared.. How about YOU?

If noting else to get the Last Shot On Earth.

:-)

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

And where would you put your ear.