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Aug 23, 2015 02:43:53   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Piet, mark has issues. SERIOUSLY. I have NO intention of engaging in his contest or for that matter, participating in his game.

Nor will I deliberately lie in an attempt to assail or assassinate his character. He obviously has an emotional problem as witnessed by the two unprovoked, rude, and generally juvenile attacks on two different posters in this thread.

No one has anything to prove on this bulletin board, nor is anyone compelled to read or respond to any post. While some people choose to post photographs, others don't. All that means is some people do, while others do not. Nothing more. So no, I won't be posting any pictures here or anywhere else. I apologize if that doesn't help, but there are plenty of photographs out there that can demonstrate what this camera is capable of in the right hands. :thumbup:
Piet, mark has issues. SERIOUSLY. I have NO intent... (show quote)


I don't have to know how to make chocolate mousse to know it tastes good.

Another point about posting pictures on someone else's thread is many consider it to be bad manners, Mark. Alas, couth you ain't.

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Aug 23, 2015 02:49:02   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
lev29 wrote:

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Regarding your opinion of the Sony FE 70-200 f/4, have you actually tried it out? If so, how exactly does it disappoint you vis-a-vis a 70-200 f/2.8 lens? I know it's a stop slower, but doesn't changing the ISO compensate? Or is it that the Autofocus on the f/4 is slower as a result?
Thanks,
lev29

I don't own any Sony primes for my A7S, A7R, A7 II or A7R II. I do, however, have the Sony FE 28-70, FE 70-200 and FE 24-240. I would rate them WRT to image quality in this order (better to worst): FE 24-240, FE 27-70 & FE 70-200. All of them are fast enough with the Sony A7 series of cameras; however, the FE 70-200 is soft on the edges and very soft in the corners.

My test of a camera lens is shooting a star field. Both the FE 28-70 and FE 24-240 do an admirable job. The FE 70-200 has star stretch and coma on the edges and in the corners; not what I would expect from an expensive lens! Canon's 70-200 f/2.8 lens (considerably heavier than Sony f/4 70-200) yields considerably better image quality on a Sony A7 body BUT its autofocus is really only usable on the Sony A7R II. It does, however, perform very well as a manual lens on the A7S, A7R and A7 II. As mentioned in another post, Sony's A mount lenses with Sony LA-EA3/LA-EA4 adapters might be an option. I have no Sony A mount lenses or adapters so can't comment on whether this is a viable solution.

I spent the month of May touring Norway, Shetlands, Faroe Islands, Orkneys and Iceland. I shot 3000+/- pix with the FE 24-240 on the A7 II and 1500+/- pix with the FE 28-70 on the A7S. The combo worked nicely for daytime and low light shooting.

bwa

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Aug 23, 2015 02:55:19   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
lev29 wrote:
There are two books due out for this camera (I'm a Sony user, by the way,): the first is by a Brian Matsumoto, The Unofficial Quintessential Guide, debuting on Oct. 30 (I'm not familiar with this author,) while the other is, in theory, due out Feb. 12 next year by the venerable David D Busch. My skepticism is due to the promised release date of book for the Sony a6000 camera. IT WAS DELAYED ~9 MONTHS from when it was supposed to be released! I like his books, though.
- lev29


I bought the Unofficial Quintessential Guide for my a77 and thought it was pretty good. It was thorough, anyway. I bought the Gary Friedman book for my a77ii and liked it better, for what it's worth.

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Aug 23, 2015 02:59:20   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
lev29 wrote:
I own the Sony a6000 camera but was dismayed to discover post-purchase that it doesn't have IS, unlike all of the A-mt cameras. So I'm thinking of buying the a7 II. So far, I've only bought 3 E-mt lenses, all primes, no teles. Regarding your opinion of the Sony FE 70-200 f/4, have you actually tried it out? If so, how exactly does it disappoint you vis-a-vis a 70-200 f/2.8 lens? I know it's a stop slower, but doesn't changing the ISO compensate? Or is it that the Autofocus on the f/4 is slower as a result?
Thanks,
lev29
I own the Sony a6000 camera but was dismayed to di... (show quote)


IS is only a couple-three stops, so not the end of the world (but I admit I count on it often.) We are so spoiled with digital as compared to film days. Anyway, your post made me wonder, so I'll ask: has anyone heard a rumor of the otherwise great a6000 getting a successor with IS?

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Aug 23, 2015 03:19:28   #
Griff Loc: Warwick U.K.
 
bwana:
For the purposes of entertainment could I refer you to my topic:
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-105844-1.html

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Aug 23, 2015 03:57:05   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Griff wrote:
bwana:
For the purposes of entertainment could I refer you to my topic:
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-105844-1.html

Some great ol' glass out there! I have a similar bellows lens from the mid 40's but I suspect the glass isn't as good as your 1900's era "contraption". I've also played with pin-hole lenses on the Sony A7's; some interesting results... Isn't photography a hoot!?

Thanks for the link.

bwa

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Aug 23, 2015 05:30:47   #
Griff Loc: Warwick U.K.
 
bwana wrote:
Some great ol' glass out there! I have a similar bellows lens from the mid 40's but I suspect the glass isn't as good as your 1900's era "contraption". I've also played with pin-hole lenses on the Sony A7's; some interesting results... Isn't photography a hoot!?

Thanks for the link.

bwa

It certainly should be fun. It has given me great pleasure for 50+ years.
Now, where is that pin . . .

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Aug 23, 2015 06:25:28   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bwana wrote:
One of the better "balanced" lenses on the A7R II. A Sigma 150-500mm shown extended to 500mm and mounted on the A7R II with a Metabones III adapter:


Autofocus is actually quite good with this combo; about the same as using the lens on my Canon 60D. Good enough for wildlife; probably not birds on wing, although birds on a tree are ok :). Works quite nicely in low light conditions both on a tripod and handheld. For handheld I normally push the ISO to the 800-3200 range, although I've used 12800 with the combo with acceptable (at least I captured a picture) quality.

All EOS to E-mount adapters, however, are not created equal! The Metabones III has been the best one I've tested todate; works with all of my Canon, Sigma and Tamron EOS mount lenses. I have a Metabones IV on order.

The Kenko 1.4x teleconverter also works with the Metabones III and passes lens info from all my Canon lenses but only works in manual mode with my Sigma and Tamron lenses.

I've also tested a few other adapters. The Commlite adapter does not pass any Sigma lens info to the camera and does not like my older Canon lenses but works reasonably well with new Canon lenses. The Fotodiox adapter, my newest, sporadically hangs with the Sigma lens and older Canon lenses but works quite well with newer Canon lenses. The King adapter, the first one I acquired, works well with my newer Canon lenses but does not like Sigma, Tamron or older Canon lenses. Strangely the Commlite & King adapters work better with my A7S & A7 II than they do with the A7R II?

When an adapter/lens combo is working well the autofocus is about the same speed as (a touch slower than) native lenses on the A7R II. This is a HUGE improvement over adapted lenses on the A7S, A7R and A7 II, where autofocus was slower than manual focus!

Just a few notes/comments...

bwa
One of the better "balanced" lenses on t... (show quote)


I agree with what you have written. I would just like to add that I am an action photographer. The adapters with lens attached lose many focus points on this camera and focusing is MUCH slower. The camera is super and super sharp but until Sony adds lenses to this system I will watch and wait.

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Aug 23, 2015 07:57:22   #
picturesofdogs Loc: Dallas, Texas.
 
Those looking for books on the a7 series should look at the friedman archives. Gary Friedman writes some excellent books.

Desert Gecko
I have a 75-300. It's a sony rebranded minolta from right after they bought Minolta, so probably newer than the one you're referring to. I'm currently hunting an affordable copy of the elusive 35mm.

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Aug 23, 2015 10:07:40   #
Ianooc Loc: Littleton, CO
 
[quote=Desert Gecko]lanooc, if you're still following this thread, I have advice for you. I read to the bottom of the first page and saw who came to the party (whenever Mark shows up to a Sony thread it becomes a hellstorm) so I'll understand....

I found a Brian Smith book on Amazon that I ended up ordering. I have the Help Guide which is nice for quick glances if I have a question, but that's not really what I was looking for. I appreciate your reply.
But you are correct. I didn't really stop following the thread but rather stopped caring about what anyone was saying, mostly because of two users bickering in the beginning. I really don't care about either of their opinions regarding this topic because neither of them took the time to answer my question. I was just looking for for some literature outside of the manuals and it turned into what seemed like a virtual big dick contest. I personally don't have time for condescension (I.e. "Tired old trope that just won't end"...) [I'm calling this out because when I read it, I automatically got offended and it stuck with me. He may not be the problem, but I remember that line and it had nothing to do with my question] and the vitriol that followed. Right or wrong, I felt this tread got hijacked immediately, like a political discussion on Facebook. I'm glad you took the time to at least give me a response to the original question.

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Aug 23, 2015 12:30:03   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Griff wrote:
It certainly should be fun. It has given me great pleasure for 50+ years.
Now, where is that pin . . .

Stared shooting pix with a Brownie Six-20 back in about 1960. Almost became a professional photographer BUT decided Engineering was more profitable :).

As for your Sony "camera obscura" (pinhole camera):
- remove lens
- place aluminum foil across mounting flange. I held it in place with a hair band.
- poke really, really small hole in middle (of foil)... I always seem to get the hole larger than it should be; throws off the image quality :(.
- set to Manual mode
- adjust shutter to taste
- shoot pix

Have fun... and clear skies!

bwa

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Aug 23, 2015 14:04:21   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
billnikon wrote:
I agree with what you have written. I would just like to add that I am an action photographer. The adapters with lens attached lose many focus points on this camera and focusing is MUCH slower. The camera is super and super sharp but until Sony adds lenses to this system I will watch and wait.

I can't disagree. If you're trying to capture really fast action, a DSLR is probably still your best bet, although the A7R II is getting darn close. It is close enough for the wildlife I shoot. In fact, the Sony FE 70-200 on the (original) A7R, using AF-C focus mode, worked very well for me shooting a drone project:


And I've shot birds on the wing with the FE 24-240 on the A7 II with some degree of success:


But I would like to use my longer Canon lenses for shots like the above and they're not quite as fast as native Sony lenses which still lag behind the speed of some of the better DSLR's on the market.

I'm still testing the A7R II in this capacity. It is better than the A7 II...

bwa

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Aug 23, 2015 14:33:18   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Ianooc wrote:
Desert Gecko wrote:
lanooc, if you're still following this thread, I have advice for you. I read to the bottom of the first page and saw who came to the party (whenever Mark shows up to a Sony thread it becomes a hellstorm) so I'll understand....


I found a Brian Smith book on Amazon that I ended up ordering. I have the Help Guide which is nice for quick glances if I have a question, but that's not really what I was looking for. I appreciate your reply.
But you are correct. I didn't really stop following the thread but rather stopped caring about what anyone was saying, mostly because of two users bickering in the beginning. I really don't care about either of their opinions regarding this topic because neither of them took the time to answer my question. I was just looking for for some literature outside of the manuals and it turned into what seemed like a virtual big dick contest. I personally don't have time for condescension (I.e. "Tired old trope that just won't end"... I'm calling this out because when I read it, I automatically got offended and it stuck with me. He may not be the problem, but I remember that line and it had nothing to do with my question) and the vitriol that followed. Right or wrong, I felt this tread got hijacked immediately, like a political discussion on Facebook. I'm glad you took the time to at least give me a response to the original question.
quote=Desert Gecko lanooc, if you're still follow... (show quote)


As the person called out, let me take the time to apologize to you here and now for offending you. That was NOT my intention, and on reflection, I understand why both you AND the poster I was responding to were turned off.

That was NOT my purpose or intention, and again, I apologize.

While I am a LITTLE sensitive that a majority of the anti-Sony people use the "tired old trope" about a lack of lenses as the centerpoint of their arguments not to buy, the OBVIOUSLY poorly stated purpose of the response in question was to point out that not only are there 29 (and growing) native FE/E mount lenses by Sony, Samyang/Rokinon have 15 more, Sigma 3, and Tamron has 1. Additionally, with adapters, almost any lens manufactured within the last 50-60 years can be used on the A7 series of cameras.

So that is why I responded the way I did. And again, I apologize to both you AND dsmeltz for offending you; it was not my intention.

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Aug 23, 2015 14:39:07   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
picturesofdogs wrote:
Those looking for books on the a7 series should look at the friedman archives. Gary Friedman writes some excellent books.

Desert Gecko
I have a 75-300. It's a sony rebranded minolta from right after they bought Minolta, so probably newer than the one you're referring to. I'm currently hunting an affordable copy of the elusive 35mm.


Pictures - Yes, the Sony version of the 75-300 is not at all like my Minolta "New," which was the successor to the Big Beercan. Frankly, the Sony model doesn't seem to be much of a lens at all, and as you say it was probably a rebadge of the then current Minolta, the "D" model. The "New" model can be had for well under $100, and I have a friend who picked one up per my recommendation who also loves his. The only fault with it is a common one in film lenses of that era: chromatic aberration, specifically purple fringing in high-contrast areas that I correct with a single Lightroom click.

I've noticed and thought about a couple 35mm Minolta lenses because they would give me the "nifty fifty" equivalent on my a77ii crop-sensor body. I just looked on dyxum.com and saw that there are four Minolta 35s that would make a nice addition to any camera bag. Is there one you recommend over the others?

Finally, lest I continue hijacking this thread, back to topic: I'm glad to hear of another who likes Friedman books on Sony. He is thorough, he tells which settings he personally uses, and why - so you can agree & follow suit unless you have a compelling reason not to (I almost always agree with his logic.)

If I were to ever write a book the first thing I would tell readers is to set your preferred defaults-not factory defaults, but your preferred auto-ISO range, focus mode, exposure metering, back button focus, etc.-then save them as one of the memory modes. That way, after a late night of shooting and increasing ISO, maybe going to a tripod and turning off IS, changing WB, AE and focus modes, etc., you don't have to remember to turn them all back. Simply rotate the dial to any other mode then back to your custom memory mode to restore all of YOUR defaults.

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Aug 23, 2015 14:50:57   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Ianooc wrote:
I've recently acquired a new Sony A7mII and am dazzled by the images it can produce, especially in low light. I never thought I'd say this, but I am starting to consider getting rid of all my Nikon hardware, but I got Nikon down pat! That brings me to my real question...does anyone know of some good literature for the new A7mII? I've found stuff online but I'd like to have a book that is comparable to the Nikon books I've found.
Thanks a bunch in advance!


To answer your question directly, as others have mentioned, take a look at this:

http://friedmanarchives.com/A7r/index.htm

AND

http://friedmanarchivespress.com/ashop/index.php?product=82

These ebooks are written by Gary Friedman, a Rocket Scientist and award winning photographer who is THE best writer of 3rd party owners manuals in the business.

Friedman's books are EXTREMELY comprehensive, covering each and every feature and capability of your camera in great detain using plain, easy to understand common sense English (or Spanish).

His books are logically laid out and very well written for people of any experience level, from novice beginner to seasoned professional. You can download them in multiple formats to copy to all your mobile devices as well as any computer.

Best of all, Friedman offers a 2 week satisfaction or your money back guarantee.

Go to the website and take a look. You will need to download the original A7 book then download the A7II compendium which contains additional information particular to the new edition of the camera.

Try them out... they WILL suit your needs. :thumbup:

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