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Sep 3, 2015 15:36:49   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
From my position as one who creates artistic images, I'd hold that if the consensus was that images should be labeled in some way as to differentiate them as being "real" or "manipulated" then that label should be affixed to those in the former category. Under no circumstances would I find it tolerable to deface my art with even the smallest branding, which might in even the slightest way detract from the aesthetic, intellectual, and/or emotional impact I strive for. If the issue is to insure that those who insist on having works differentiated in some obvious and physical way, then let the "realists" mark their work with "a label of authenticity" instead! :?:
From my position as one who creates artistic image... (show quote)


My original suggestion was not to mark any work. It was to be a reference - with no manipulation called a photo or with manipulation called a pic. Not well received so.......

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Sep 3, 2015 15:39:17   #
randomeyes Loc: wilds of b.c. canada
 
oldtigger wrote:
thats just fine with me, more power too them that can do both as long as they understand its two different schools.





Looking at the big picture (no pun intended) who cares!!

As I have stated ad nauseam, a photo is a photo, manipulated, non manipulated, it is a photo. If it bothers you that you think someone is "cheating" when presenting
a photo, that is your problem.

I have taken thousands of photographs over my 50 years in the hobby. I print, matte and frame them myself and give them away to friends and family. Not once has anyone questioned me on my "ethics". Some of my friends are lifelong photographers. They either like or dislike a photo. They realize that it is the end product that counts.

There are very few "rules" in photography, and those rules are to be broken at will.

It is one of the most expressive vehicles out there and does not need to be stifled in any manner!!

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Sep 3, 2015 15:39:46   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
pfrancke wrote:
YES. But even then there would be cheating. Hardware and encryption is the only way to do such systemically. And then the only cheating would be "staging" the scene.


In the old days of japan, a noteworthy painting would be submitted to a panel of masters who would add their comments and affix their signatures on the painting border itself. They became a part of the painting.

You've posted a couple photos i would be happy to scribble my name on for you if you'ld like.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:50:27   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
oldtigger wrote:
thats just fine with me, more power too them that can do both as long as they understand its two different schools.


No, it's all the same school. If you're not great at both, you're not as good as you could be.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:51:22   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
randomeyes wrote:
Looking at the big picture (no pun intended) who cares!!

As I have stated ad nauseam, a photo is a photo, manipulated, non manipulated, it is a photo. If it bothers you that you think someone is "cheating" when presenting
a photo, that is your problem.

I have taken thousands of photographs over my 50 years in the hobby. I print, matte and frame them myself and give them away to friends and family. Not once has anyone questioned me on my "ethics". Some of my friends are lifelong photographers. They either like or dislike a photo. They realize that it is the end product that counts.

There are very few "rules" in photography, and those rules are to be broken at will.

It is one of the most expressive vehicles out there and does not need to be stifled in any manner!!
Looking at the big picture (no pun intended) who ... (show quote)


I hope that you don't think that I would wish to stifle any part of the art. I wished only that, through introducing a section type, to inform as to what techniques had been used.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:53:13   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Delderby wrote:
I hope that you don't think that I would wish to stifle any part of the art. I wished only that, through introducing a section type, to inform as to what techniques had been used.


What difference does that make? That is silly - If you want to learn new techniques, there are books, videos, classes to take.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:53:53   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
TheDman wrote:
No, it's all the same school. If you're not great at both, you're not as good as you could be.


There is no such thing as post-processing in my view. It is all processing that leads to the final result which me is a print and that is what matters. I see it as a continuum with no stopping point along the way at which I can subdivide the process. The end result for me is a print that is usually my visualization at the starting point of the process which is exposing in camera.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:55:14   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
oldtigger wrote:
In the old days of japan, a noteworthy painting would be submitted to a panel of masters who would add their comments and affix their signatures on the painting border itself. They became a part of the painting.


I didn't know that - that is such a cool concept - method of endorsement that they used. While in the Western world, it is a signature. That custom speaks volumes.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:59:07   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
Delderby wrote:
I hope that you don't think that I would wish to stifle any part of the art. I wished only that, through introducing a section type, to inform as to what techniques had been used.


It is never a requirement for an artist to disclose his technique, but when they do... I LOVE it!!!!

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Sep 3, 2015 16:37:47   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Probably the best answer, and one that Elderby is considering as well.
Photographer Jim wrote:
From my position as one who creates artistic images, I'd hold that if the consensus was that images should be labeled in some way as to differentiate them as being "real" or "manipulated" then that label should be affixed to those in the former category. Under no circumstances would I find it tolerable to deface my art with even the smallest branding, which might in even the slightest way detract from the aesthetic, intellectual, and/or emotional impact I strive for. If the issue is to insure that those who insist on having works differentiated in some obvious and physical way, then let the "realists" mark their work with "a label of authenticity" instead! :?:
From my position as one who creates artistic image... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Sep 3, 2015 22:15:53   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yes, digital photographs carry EXIF information with them, telling much about the given photograph. But I understand the EXIF information can be removed from a photograph.

Others more checked out could discuss this subject more informatively.
pfrancke wrote:
Isn't there metadata present in image files that provide documentation about a given image. It would document the camera used, the lens, GPS, time, it would even document the post processing tool used (if any). Seems to me that if it is important to document how an image came to be, that "fingerprinting" an image as out of camera is the way to go.

I have no problem with such strategies, I think such digital fingerprinting will end up becoming important for a variety of other reasons also, Copyright for instance.

My point though is that THIS is how it will be controlled. It will never be controlled by imposing an arbitrary procedure on a population with differing motivations.
Isn't there metadata present in image files that p... (show quote)

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Sep 4, 2015 01:56:00   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
tdekany wrote:
What difference does that make? That is silly - If you want to learn new techniques, there are books, videos, classes to take.


That post was badly worded - I did not mean to suggest that the photographer artist should reveal / describe their methods. By "technique" I meant only with or without manipulation. Put another way - Original or Doctored.
PS putting the "s" on "technique" was a typo.

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