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Mar 30, 2012 20:08:30   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
umm i dont think my pixels come in black and white

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Mar 30, 2012 20:11:38   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
docrob wrote:
B&W is special and mysterious because we see color all the time and learning to see and appreciate B&W imaging is definitely good for making your head bigger. B&W photography rules, keep thinking B&W!


Yes, I can see that this has indeed occured - the head has grown bigger.[/quote]

I feel sorry for people that cant see any further then there noses. My objective is to encourage people to learn and grow, what do, you do? B&W is where photography started and some of our greatest photographers were B&W photographers or maybe Stieglitz or Weston or Adams where just taking "pitures". Unfortunately we live in a digital world and most people dont even know where photography started. We should embrace all techniques in photography because photography is a wonderful and exciting art form. Learning is a great thing and yes it does make ones head bigger. If you cant see that you are in a very stilted world.

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Mar 30, 2012 20:16:18   #
randymoe
 
They say dogs see only black and white.

If it is good enough for dogs, it is good enough for me.

Barking crazy...

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Mar 30, 2012 21:10:04   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
randymoe wrote:
They say dogs see only black and white.

If it is good enough for dogs, it is good enough for me.

Barking crazy...


Its really silly to even think that theres even something like color vs B&W. Its like digital vs film. Who cares. Its all great. These are tools, use what you want to and respect that there are wonderful choices. There is no better, its all good. I like your statement.

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Mar 30, 2012 21:38:46   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
silver wrote:
Acountry330 wrote:
silver wrote:
sploppert wrote:
I've been working on my anti-black and white bias lately: I'm glad to say that there's been some real progress! The therapist says it may have its roots in some recurring childhood nightmares about colorless Kansas tornadoes carrying off little girls and their dogs, followed by lots of singing and skipping down bright yellow roads through some VERY saturated technicolor trees.
The first step in my journey was to accept that black and white isn't LESS than color. It's just DIFFERENT. Another way of viewing a scene. TONES of darkness and light rather than the infinite number of -- and to me infinitely more satisfying -- shades and tints of color! Alright: Granted. It's a different way of seeing things. But BETTER? In an artists dreams, maybe.
Did you know that we're all color-blind after dark? The cones in our eyes, which are the receptors responsible for color detection (rods are for black and white) all shut down in the dark. You guessed it: Lynda.com. It's also true that our cones are divided into three kinds: One for red, one for green, and one for blue color detection. Sound at all familiar?
The cones in our eyes represent only 2% of our visual perception. 98% of our ability to see is devoted to recognizing tones. Variations in shading. Contrast. No wonder we... some people... find it so satisfying! Did you know that once our eyes adjust to a completely dark room, the rods are capable of detecting a single photon of light?? WHITE light... in BLACK darkness.
Here's the short list of reasons I'm hearing for why black and white is a skill that every photographer should develop. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any of them myself necessarily, but a few on the list are starting to make more sense to me than they once did.
1) B&W represents an overwhelming majority of the photographs taken in the history of photography.
2) B&W photographs are often more compelling than the same image in color.
3) B&W offers an entirely new language for expressing our creative vision for an image.
4) B&W eliminates distractions that keep us from seeing the true essence of a scene.
5) Learning to SEE for B&W shooting makes us better COLOR photographers, as well.
I've been working on my anti-black and white bias ... (show quote)


I specialize in B&W photography both digital and silver. I also teach B&W photography. The hard part about B&W is being able to visualize an image in B&W when you are looking through the viewfinder of the camera before you press the shutter. Some images are better in B&W is a true statement. Photography started in 1826 in france when Joseph Nicephore was able to create the 1st actual permanent image on a pewter plate. This photograph is still here in the Museum in Austen Texas. Think of that statement, it is the first one. You cant say that about painting or poetry or lithography but photography has its beginnings and we can all see it. This first image is a B&W image of rooftops and for more then 100 years B&W photography was all there was with some minor experimenting in color processes but nothing that was done on any film. B&W photography is an amazing art form with a rich history. Most of the great photographs have been done in B&W, look at the great photographers, ex Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, Steigletz etc and you will see a plethora of wonderful B&W. the tradition of B&W photography is wide and varied and by being a part of it we become a part of the photographic history. Keep shooting B&W and keep the history happening. Look at past photographers and learn from them. B&W is special and mysterious because we see color all the time and learning to see and appreciate B&W imaging is definitely good for making your head bigger. B&W photography rules, keep thinking B&W!
quote=sploppert I've been working on my anti-blac... (show quote)


I see you are truly excited about shooting, teaching and learning B/W, but I feel if color would have come first we would not be talking about ancient technology. This is the 21st century.
quote=silver quote=sploppert I've been working o... (show quote)


I am sorry to hear that B&W is an ancient technology. The truth is that photographic roots come from B&W photography not the other way around. To not appreciate what comes before you is to be very clouded. There is a reason why most great photographers worked in B&W for artistic endeavors. For commercial work color is great but when it comes to art B&W has a long and prosperous history. I am very excited about the medium of photography and I am also very aware that others came before me. You are right, this is the 21st century and B&W is still vibrant and strong and it will always be so. I also work a lot in digital both B&W and color. I am also selling my work and I get a lot of money for my B&W prints, there is a greater appreciation for the medium then you know. It is easy to speculate about what it would be like if color came first but the reality of the situation is that color came second and speculating accomplishes nothing. If you dont like B&W photography its fine with me but I feel sorry because you are missing out on a wonderful and exciting way of imaging. Maybe you just cant see in B&W.
quote=Acountry330 quote=silver quote=sploppert ... (show quote)


I see in color. I have always seen in color. The great painters painted in color. The great photographers use B/W because they did not have color. So they had to learn about different shades and tones, to make the images interesting. I still say a good color shot will outshine a good B/W photo anyday. When I first started photography I used B/W because I could not afford color, but now in the digital age I see no reason to use B/W bercause their is so much to learn in color. You will not change my mind and I am sure I will not change yours. The conversation has been very interesting. Keep on shooting.

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Mar 30, 2012 21:51:52   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Acountry330 wrote:
silver wrote:
Acountry330 wrote:
silver wrote:
sploppert wrote:
I've been working on my anti-black and white bias lately: I'm glad to say that there's been some real progress! The therapist says it may have its roots in some recurring childhood nightmares about colorless Kansas tornadoes carrying off little girls and their dogs, followed by lots of singing and skipping down bright yellow roads through some VERY saturated technicolor trees.
The first step in my journey was to accept that black and white isn't LESS than color. It's just DIFFERENT. Another way of viewing a scene. TONES of darkness and light rather than the infinite number of -- and to me infinitely more satisfying -- shades and tints of color! Alright: Granted. It's a different way of seeing things. But BETTER? In an artists dreams, maybe.
Did you know that we're all color-blind after dark? The cones in our eyes, which are the receptors responsible for color detection (rods are for black and white) all shut down in the dark. You guessed it: Lynda.com. It's also true that our cones are divided into three kinds: One for red, one for green, and one for blue color detection. Sound at all familiar?
The cones in our eyes represent only 2% of our visual perception. 98% of our ability to see is devoted to recognizing tones. Variations in shading. Contrast. No wonder we... some people... find it so satisfying! Did you know that once our eyes adjust to a completely dark room, the rods are capable of detecting a single photon of light?? WHITE light... in BLACK darkness.
Here's the short list of reasons I'm hearing for why black and white is a skill that every photographer should develop. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any of them myself necessarily, but a few on the list are starting to make more sense to me than they once did.
1) B&W represents an overwhelming majority of the photographs taken in the history of photography.
2) B&W photographs are often more compelling than the same image in color.
3) B&W offers an entirely new language for expressing our creative vision for an image.
4) B&W eliminates distractions that keep us from seeing the true essence of a scene.
5) Learning to SEE for B&W shooting makes us better COLOR photographers, as well.
I've been working on my anti-black and white bias ... (show quote)


I specialize in B&W photography both digital and silver. I also teach B&W photography. The hard part about B&W is being able to visualize an image in B&W when you are looking through the viewfinder of the camera before you press the shutter. Some images are better in B&W is a true statement. Photography started in 1826 in france when Joseph Nicephore was able to create the 1st actual permanent image on a pewter plate. This photograph is still here in the Museum in Austen Texas. Think of that statement, it is the first one. You cant say that about painting or poetry or lithography but photography has its beginnings and we can all see it. This first image is a B&W image of rooftops and for more then 100 years B&W photography was all there was with some minor experimenting in color processes but nothing that was done on any film. B&W photography is an amazing art form with a rich history. Most of the great photographs have been done in B&W, look at the great photographers, ex Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, Steigletz etc and you will see a plethora of wonderful B&W. the tradition of B&W photography is wide and varied and by being a part of it we become a part of the photographic history. Keep shooting B&W and keep the history happening. Look at past photographers and learn from them. B&W is special and mysterious because we see color all the time and learning to see and appreciate B&W imaging is definitely good for making your head bigger. B&W photography rules, keep thinking B&W!
quote=sploppert I've been working on my anti-blac... (show quote)


I see you are truly excited about shooting, teaching and learning B/W, but I feel if color would have come first we would not be talking about ancient technology. This is the 21st century.
quote=silver quote=sploppert I've been working o... (show quote)


I am sorry to hear that B&W is an ancient technology. The truth is that photographic roots come from B&W photography not the other way around. To not appreciate what comes before you is to be very clouded. There is a reason why most great photographers worked in B&W for artistic endeavors. For commercial work color is great but when it comes to art B&W has a long and prosperous history. I am very excited about the medium of photography and I am also very aware that others came before me. You are right, this is the 21st century and B&W is still vibrant and strong and it will always be so. I also work a lot in digital both B&W and color. I am also selling my work and I get a lot of money for my B&W prints, there is a greater appreciation for the medium then you know. It is easy to speculate about what it would be like if color came first but the reality of the situation is that color came second and speculating accomplishes nothing. If you dont like B&W photography its fine with me but I feel sorry because you are missing out on a wonderful and exciting way of imaging. Maybe you just cant see in B&W.
quote=Acountry330 quote=silver quote=sploppert ... (show quote)


I see in color. I have always seen in color. The great painters painted in color. The great photographers use B/W because they did not have color. So they had to learn about different shades and tones, to make the images interesting. I still say a good color shot will outshine a good B/W photo anyday. When I first started photography I used B/W because I could not afford color, but now in the digital age I see no reason to use B/W bercause their is so much to learn in color. You will not change my mind and I am sure I will not change yours. The conversation has been very interesting. Keep on shooting.
quote=silver quote=Acountry330 quote=silver qu... (show quote)


You have a very narrow vision and this is the problem growing up in the digital world. Digital is so easy, you dont have to do a thing, you dont have to learn anything and soon there will be those that dont even care, how sad. Everybody sees in color but seeing in B&W is a challenging and a rewarding experience. i can never hope to change your mind, it is closed to different things, how sad. You are so comfortable in your digital world. I am sure that you have never studied photography. For your information I am a custom digital printer and I print color as well as B&W. I have seen many great images both in B&W and color. They are both great ways of seeing. I dont want to convince you of anything, there are many minds out there that see and visualize. color is great and so is B&W. You choose to work in color and thats fine.

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Mar 31, 2012 00:33:41   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
silver wrote:
Acountry330 wrote:
silver wrote:
Acountry330 wrote:
silver wrote:
sploppert wrote:
I've been working on my anti-black and white bias lately: I'm glad to say that there's been some real progress! The therapist says it may have its roots in some recurring childhood nightmares about colorless Kansas tornadoes carrying off little girls and their dogs, followed by lots of singing and skipping down bright yellow roads through some VERY saturated technicolor trees.
The first step in my journey was to accept that black and white isn't LESS than color. It's just DIFFERENT. Another way of viewing a scene. TONES of darkness and light rather than the infinite number of -- and to me infinitely more satisfying -- shades and tints of color! Alright: Granted. It's a different way of seeing things. But BETTER? In an artists dreams, maybe.
Did you know that we're all color-blind after dark? The cones in our eyes, which are the receptors responsible for color detection (rods are for black and white) all shut down in the dark. You guessed it: Lynda.com. It's also true that our cones are divided into three kinds: One for red, one for green, and one for blue color detection. Sound at all familiar?
The cones in our eyes represent only 2% of our visual perception. 98% of our ability to see is devoted to recognizing tones. Variations in shading. Contrast. No wonder we... some people... find it so satisfying! Did you know that once our eyes adjust to a completely dark room, the rods are capable of detecting a single photon of light?? WHITE light... in BLACK darkness.
Here's the short list of reasons I'm hearing for why black and white is a skill that every photographer should develop. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any of them myself necessarily, but a few on the list are starting to make more sense to me than they once did.
1) B&W represents an overwhelming majority of the photographs taken in the history of photography.
2) B&W photographs are often more compelling than the same image in color.
3) B&W offers an entirely new language for expressing our creative vision for an image.
4) B&W eliminates distractions that keep us from seeing the true essence of a scene.
5) Learning to SEE for B&W shooting makes us better COLOR photographers, as well.
I've been working on my anti-black and white bias ... (show quote)


I specialize in B&W photography both digital and silver. I also teach B&W photography. The hard part about B&W is being able to visualize an image in B&W when you are looking through the viewfinder of the camera before you press the shutter. Some images are better in B&W is a true statement. Photography started in 1826 in france when Joseph Nicephore was able to create the 1st actual permanent image on a pewter plate. This photograph is still here in the Museum in Austen Texas. Think of that statement, it is the first one. You cant say that about painting or poetry or lithography but photography has its beginnings and we can all see it. This first image is a B&W image of rooftops and for more then 100 years B&W photography was all there was with some minor experimenting in color processes but nothing that was done on any film. B&W photography is an amazing art form with a rich history. Most of the great photographs have been done in B&W, look at the great photographers, ex Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, Steigletz etc and you will see a plethora of wonderful B&W. the tradition of B&W photography is wide and varied and by being a part of it we become a part of the photographic history. Keep shooting B&W and keep the history happening. Look at past photographers and learn from them. B&W is special and mysterious because we see color all the time and learning to see and appreciate B&W imaging is definitely good for making your head bigger. B&W photography rules, keep thinking B&W!
quote=sploppert I've been working on my anti-blac... (show quote)


I see you are truly excited about shooting, teaching and learning B/W, but I feel if color would have come first we would not be talking about ancient technology. This is the 21st century.
quote=silver quote=sploppert I've been working o... (show quote)


I am sorry to hear that B&W is an ancient technology. The truth is that photographic roots come from B&W photography not the other way around. To not appreciate what comes before you is to be very clouded. There is a reason why most great photographers worked in B&W for artistic endeavors. For commercial work color is great but when it comes to art B&W has a long and prosperous history. I am very excited about the medium of photography and I am also very aware that others came before me. You are right, this is the 21st century and B&W is still vibrant and strong and it will always be so. I also work a lot in digital both B&W and color. I am also selling my work and I get a lot of money for my B&W prints, there is a greater appreciation for the medium then you know. It is easy to speculate about what it would be like if color came first but the reality of the situation is that color came second and speculating accomplishes nothing. If you dont like B&W photography its fine with me but I feel sorry because you are missing out on a wonderful and exciting way of imaging. Maybe you just cant see in B&W.
quote=Acountry330 quote=silver quote=sploppert ... (show quote)


I see in color. I have always seen in color. The great painters painted in color. The great photographers use B/W because they did not have color. So they had to learn about different shades and tones, to make the images interesting. I still say a good color shot will outshine a good B/W photo anyday. When I first started photography I used B/W because I could not afford color, but now in the digital age I see no reason to use B/W bercause their is so much to learn in color. You will not change my mind and I am sure I will not change yours. The conversation has been very interesting. Keep on shooting.
quote=silver quote=Acountry330 quote=silver qu... (show quote)


You have a very narrow vision and this is the problem growing up in the digital world. Digital is so easy, you dont have to do a thing, you dont have to learn anything and soon there will be those that dont even care, how sad. Everybody sees in color but seeing in B&W is a challenging and a rewarding experience. i can never hope to change your mind, it is closed to different things, how sad. You are so comfortable in your digital world. I am sure that you have never studied photography. For your information I am a custom digital printer and I print color as well as B&W. I have seen many great images both in B&W and color. They are both great ways of seeing. I dont want to convince you of anything, there are many minds out there that see and visualize. color is great and so is B&W. You choose to work in color and thats fine.
quote=Acountry330 quote=silver quote=Acountry33... (show quote)


I see you have passed judgement on me as being narrow minded. I am very strong headed. I guess I got it from being in the military. B/W is not easy to learn, as well as color. My impression is you seem to think digital color is easy. Well if it were everyone with a point an shoot would be a pro and make tons of money. Sadly not true. It takes time and effort to get good at this craft. I have only been doing digital for about 3 years and still have tons to learn. I am glad of your accomplishments in photography but everyone does not have to follow your path and believe the way you believe. I am far from being good but I do so love to try and improve everyday. I did not say B/W photo's were not good I said that I believe a good color photo is better than a B/W photo and I will stand by that statement. That is my hard headness kicking in. Keep on shooting.

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