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Jul 2, 2015 14:34:19   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
G Brown wrote:
Has anyone asked the lass why she wants to change camera?


I thought it was pretty clear.
The current older canera belongs to the school and she wants her OWN camera.
She wants a 5ti.
The question wasn't what OTHER cameras would be better.
The question was about the, "suitability of the T5i with 18-55"!!
If you can wade through all the deep, mumbo BS, I think the answer is a simple.....
YES, that T5i combo is "VERY suitable"!
The Rebal line is the MOST popular camera line, and the MOST used camera model on this Planet.
Every camera has some short comings, and the fact that the Rebal is the stepping stone to the cameras used by more professional and serious amateur photographers in the world today is a big plus, especially if that young lady has her eye on someday being a pro or an extremely advanced amateur.

Johnston, yes, report back that the T5i is, "VERY suitable"!
AND that the T5i will look alnost as good hanging around her neck, as she, hanging from IT!!! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Jul 2, 2015 16:01:12   #
Photocraig
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The T5i likely can be found at clearance prices now, because it's being replaced by the T6i/T6s.

If the school has a Canon DSLR system, she might be able to borrow lenses for certain purposes, rather than have to buy them.

I would encourage her to go handle both Canon and Nikon in store and see which one "feels" better and more intuitive to use. Some folks like one or the other better, but either can be learned and both are very capable and supported by extensive OEM systems as well as lots of third party manufactured lenses and accessories.

Excellent advice, Alan, from a very old HS News and Yearbook photog. The are many shots of clubs, committees etc. that go from 5-20 students. The 50 and an off camera flash will do well. And don't forget the Queen, King and "Court" pictures. The computer, software and backup, i hope, is provided by the school. But the skills and habits last a lifetime. I hope she enjoys her assignment, it will take most of her extra curricular time.

Some differences....

Dynamic range: Yes, at ISO 100 the Nikon has a little bit wider DR. However, as ISO is increased, the difference disappears by about ISO 800 or 1600, and beyond that at really high ISOs the Canon has slightly wider DR. It's arguable that wider DR at higher ISOs is likely to be more important, since low light situations where high ISOs are needed are where underexposure issues are more likely to occur.

Lenses: Both systems are extensive. However at this price point (and with some of the models suggested above) you may be looking at a Nikon camera that doesn't have a built in focusing motor, in which case only "AF-S" lenses (where the focus motor is built into the lens itself) will autofocus on the camera. Nikon "AF" lenses will be manual focus only on those cameras. And manual focus is rather difficult on modern DSLRs, especially crop sensor models due to their smaller viewfinders, and the lack of manual focus support features.

In comparison, the Canon camera is fully compatible and able to autofocus any of the 100 million or so EF or EF-S lenses produced over the past 25 years.

When it comes to vintage lenses... the Nikon is much more backward compatible with their own lenses. However, via adapters those old Nikkors can also mostly be used on modern Canon. And, for that matter, a lot of other manufacturers' vintage, manual focus lenses are easily adaptable to the Canon... Far fewer can be adapted to the Nikon.

Still, when it comes to the most commonly needed and wanted lenses and accessories, there's no shortage of choices in either system.

T5i is often bundled with an EF-S 18-55 IS STM lens, which is the latest and in many ways the best Canon 18-55 variant to date. The EF-S 18-55 IS II is not a bad little lens, either, but won't focus as quickly or quietly. "STM" stands for "Stepper Motor" and refers to a type of focus drive Canon has developed and begun offering the last few years. Both Canon current 18-55mm are relatively small, light and plasticky (like similar spec lenses from Nikon and everyone else).

An alternative that might be a bit more versatile is the EF-S 18-135mm IS... which is also found in both STM and non-STM versions. The non-STM uses micro motor focus drive, which is a little slower, noisier and less certain. STM is faster, smoother and quieter. It's also better for videography, and the T5i is optimized for use with STM lenses.

I agree that some other things might be needed. "Year book" photography suggests a lot of different purposes that may call for different lenses and accessories.

A wide angle lens would be useful for large groups, events, wide shots indoors and architectural shots... Canon has recently introduced an EF-S 10-18mm IS STM lens that's one heck of a bargain at $300 and, even better, has been on sale recently for $250! That's about half the price of anything even close to comparable for Nikon or any other manufacturer.

The 18-135mm might give "long enough" telephoto for many purposes other than sports. However, if some sports shots are needed, a longer lens like EF-S 55-250mm IS may be needed. Once again, this lens comes in both STM and non-STM versions, with the STM costing about $50 more, but recommended for a number of reasons.

A cheap telephoto that's best avoided tho it's often sold in kit with Canon Rebel series is a Canon EF 75-300mm non-IS, non-USM... It's just a pretty poor quality zoom, one of Canon's worst efforts... But it's cheap (often $200 or less). For just a little more money, though, either of the EF-S 55-250mm is a better choice. (Note: there are much better EF 70-300mm lenses, several versions, and even was a somewhat better older version of the 75-300mm with IS and USM... but all these cost a lot more.)

For sports shots in particular, Canon's USM lenses are the fastest acquiring focus and best tracking moving subjects. But, in general USM lenses are more expensive, higher end models. STM are a close "second best" choice for sports shooting.

Portraiture: The new EF 50/1.8 STM is the least expensive lens Canon offers and is ideal for portraiture, plus a "fast" lens can be handy for low light shooting when flash isn't possible.

Canon lenses in these price ranges do not come with a lens hood (only their premium "L series" do). It's sold separately, but I'd encourage getting a matched hood for any lenses purchased to get her in the habit of using one. It's simply good practice, has the potential to improve photos in many situations, and the hood can provide some physical protection for the lens (forget using "protection" filters... they are largely a waste of money).

Flash: All the Canon Rebel series have built-in flashes, but I'd still encourage an accessory flash as a much better choice, if at all possible. Modern dedicated flashes are super easy to use and can do an excellent job with just a little practice and basic understanding of how they work.

She'll need memory cards (get several smaller ones rather than one huge one... that way if one is lost, not all her work will be lost with it... with 18MP Canon models you can get a little more than 250 RAW images on an 8GB card).

She also might want an extra battery or two. It varies a lot depending upon how the camera is used, but probably a battery charge is good for about 500-800 shots. Cut that number in half or less if using the built-in flash or shooting long videos or reviewing images on the rear LCD of the camera a lot. All of those consume a lot more battery power.

She may also want a software to work with her images on her computer. Canon provides a fairly complete suite with the camera. But a lot of people find something like Adobe Elements very helpful, more versatile, and easier to use. Get her in the habit of backing up her photos, too... perhaps with an external drive or cloud storage or similar.
The T5i likely can be found at clearance prices no... (show quote)

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Jul 2, 2015 16:09:04   #
rjriggins11 Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
 
Actually, I repair cameras for a living and see more Nikons than Canon. Nikon products have built-in failure points like the aperture control mechanisms and shutters where Canon doesn't. They do need to have the shutters replaced every 100,000 miles but that's just normal wear and tear.


ajohnston3 wrote:
I have a friend with a 17 year old daughter who has been using the older school Canon DSLR's (don't know what kind) to take photos for the paper / yearbook. She has decided that she wants her own camera and is looking at a Canon T5i. Her dad asked me for my opinion as to the suitability of this camera with a 18-55 lens. Only problem is I'm a Nikon guy. Asking for suggestions and advice from my fellow UHH'ers on this one.....

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Jul 2, 2015 16:32:48   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I thought it was pretty clear.
The current older canera belongs to the school and she wants her OWN camera.
She wants a 5ti.
The question wasn't what OTHER cameras would be better.

"she wants her own camera and is looking at a Canon T5i."

Your interpretation is creative, but not accurate. It is also harmful. What she needs is good advice on exactly what a Canon T5i is not suitable, because in fact is is a very poor choice in a time when even less expensive cameras have more than 2-1/2 fstops better dynamic range.

SharpShooter wrote:
The question was about the, "suitability of the T5i with 18-55"!!
If you can wade through all the deep, mumbo BS, I think the answer is a simple.....
YES, that T5i combo is "VERY suitable"!
The Rebal line is the MOST popular camera line, and the MOST used camera model on this Planet.
Every camera has some short comings, and the fact that the Rebal is the stepping stone to the cameras used by more professional and serious amateur photographers in the world today is a big plus, especially if that young lady has her eye on someday being a pro or an extremely advanced amateur.

Johnston, yes, report back that the T5i is, "VERY suitable"!
AND that the T5i will look alnost as good hanging around her neck, as she, hanging from IT!!! :lol: :lol:
SS
The question was about the, "suitability of t... (show quote)

Ignoring facts and listening to marketing hype has a great emotional effect, but buying a clearly inferior camera will not encourage the young lady, will not help her advance, and pointedly will not produce the level of image quality she deserves.

Here are interesting reviews (and Google will produce many others that all say essentially the same things).


http://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-700D-vs-Nikon-D5500
http://www.cameraegg.org/nikon-d5500-vs-d5300-vs-d7100-vs-canon-t5i-specs-comparison/

Both snapshot.com and dxomark.com give specifications, but also rate the cameras. On snapshot.com the overall rating is 89 for the D5500 and 62 for the T5i. The dxomark.com ratings look like this:

700D D5500
Overall 61 84
Portrait (color depth) 21.7 24.1
Landscape (DN) 11.2 14.0
Sports (hi iso) 681 1438

Reality is pretty obvious...

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Jul 2, 2015 17:50:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Apaflo wrote:
Ignoring facts and listening to marketing hype has a great emotional effect, but buying a clearly inferior camera will not encourage the young lady, will not help her advance, and pointedly will not produce the level of image quality she deserves.

Here are interesting reviews (and Google will produce many others that all say essentially the same things).


http://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-700D-vs-Nikon-D5500
http://www.cameraegg.org/nikon-d5500-vs-d5300-vs-d7100-vs-canon-t5i-specs-comparison/

Both snapshot.com and dxomark.com give specifications, but also rate the cameras. On snapshot.com the overall rating is 89 for the D5500 and 62 for the T5i. The dxomark.com ratings look like this:

700D D5500
Overall 61 84
Portrait (color depth) 21.7 24.1
Landscape (DN) 11.2 14.0
Sports (hi iso) 681 1438

Reality is pretty obvious...
Ignoring facts and listening to marketing hype has... (show quote)


Apaflo, I went back and re-read the OP's query again! I'm pretty sure I got it right.

She wants her own camera and she wants a Canon T5i!!

The OP DOES ask for "opinions" and "suggestions".
That's where you and I come in.....
Fortunately, your opinion is worth no more than mine.

I'll give you a real world example.

Go to your favorite site, looks like it's probably DXO!
Now post all the same numbers for a D810 and the 5Dlll. You will come to your same conclusion.
Now go to a thorough REAL world test like, say, the English site Digital Camera World, where they shoot the two cameras side by side and use DXO numbers to compare them. The conclusion is still that the 5lll is the better all around tool for doing photography.
Your good at links, maybe you could provide us with a link to that comparison.
That conclusion took into account the DR and the 14 extra mp. And the 5lll was 2 years older than the 810 which had JUST been released.

Now if you're purely a paper shooter and actual real world camera performance means nothing to you, then ONLY the Nikon will do!!
BUT, there is a lot more to camera design and use and system than the numbers that you posted.
If camera performance and price were the ONLY factors involved, we'd all be shooting with Sonys and Samsung's! :lol:
I'll tell you what, you post a shot that you think the DR is SOOO important on that you think I could not have made that shot with my crappy, noisy piece of junk 5 year old Canon, or that a 17 year old girl shooting for the yearbook could not have taken with a T5i!!! :lol:
I still stand behind my opinion that my statements are NOT harmful and based on sound shooting practices and that the T5i is a.....

"VERY suitable"....., camera, regardless of the cost or DR of any other camera.

But that's just my opinion. ;-).
SS

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Jul 2, 2015 18:34:28   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Apaflo, I went back and re-read the OP's query again! I'm pretty sure I got it right.

It says she is "looking at" a given camera, and that is not the same as saying it is exactly what she wants. Not by a long shot.

SharpShooter wrote:
She wants her own camera and she wants a Canon T5i!!

Then why a need for this discussion?

SharpShooter wrote:
The OP DOES ask for "opinions" and "suggestions".
That's where you and I come in.....
Fortunately, your opinion is worth no more than mine.

That is why I listed the facts that I base my opinion on. I have no use for your opinion based on popularity contests and marketing blurbs, but I do have a lot of respect for opinions based on factual information.

SharpShooter wrote:
I'll give you a real world example. ...

More fanboi marketing babble. All of which should be ignored as another entertaining diversion.

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Jul 2, 2015 18:56:36   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
ajohnston3 wrote:
I have a friend with a 17 year old daughter who has been using the older school Canon DSLR's (don't know what kind) to take photos for the paper / yearbook. She has decided that she wants her own camera and is looking at a Canon T5i. Her dad asked me for my opinion as to the suitability of this camera with a 18-55 lens. Only problem is I'm a Nikon guy. Asking for suggestions and advice from my fellow UHH'ers on this one.....


Short answer. T5i with EF-S 18 - 135 STM would be an excellent value package for both still and video. If budget permits, same lens but T6s or T6i, which would set her up for quite a while.

I have a T3i with the 18-135 STM as the default lens. A lot of other stuff, but a T5i/T6i/T6s + 18-135 STM would be an excellent start.

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Jul 2, 2015 19:07:59   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Peterff wrote:
Short answer. T5i with EF-S 18 - 135 STM would be an excellent value package for both still and video. If budget permits, same lens but T6s or T6i, which would set her up for quite a while.

I have a T3i with the 18-135 STM as the default lens. A lot of other stuff, but a T5i/T6i/T6s + 18-135 STM would be an excellent start.


Sorry Peter, but your FanBoy marketing babble is not welcome here!!
I take it you missed Apaflo's posts and subsequent links to the DXO reports.
Our opinions are no longer needed here.
If you like, I'll help you tuck your tail between your legs, so you can make a quicker exit!! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Jul 2, 2015 20:08:49   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Sorry Peter, but your FanBoy marketing babble is not welcome here!!
I take it you missed Apaflo's posts and subsequent links to the DXO reports.
Our opinions are no longer needed here.
If you like, I'll help you tuck your tail between your legs, so you can make a quicker exit!! :lol: :lol:
SS


Thanks SS for your reprimand and guidence. Whether or not you think I'm a brainless Canon fanboy or not, I believe that the lady's wishes should be paramount.

If the lady wants a Canon then Aunt Flo, or A_Patheticflo or whatever should acquiesce to the original request. Barrowboy is still probably in shock about Bristol Palin and wondering whether he could be involved somehow.

As for my tail, it has barbs and can reach to Northern Alaska if needed.

Sheesh, what an impressive guy, Trump should be worried!

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Jul 2, 2015 20:18:19   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
how seriously is she committed to photography? that shuld determine how much to spend and what to get. Look at KEH.com for used gear.. You will get more bang for the buck snf might save enough to buy a second lens or a flash. great company to deal with. even items rasted at BGN or UG look better then you would think and are a lot less $

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