Chaostrain Loc: Hillsboro, Oregon

I've been wondering. How did religious beliefs become races? I didn't know a person had to be of a certain race to be Islam or Jewish or Catholic or Atheist or any other of the many other beliefs. I understand some religions are predominantly geographically based, but they also seem accept others no matter what race they came from.

Or is it really not a race but it's what the media wants to call someone that doesn't believe the same in an attempt to keep stirring the pot of h**e?

teesquare Loc: USA

It is very complex, isn't it?
I think the media's objective is clear: Do what ever is necessary to boost viewership. And "wh**ever is necessary" is not framed by morals and ethics. It is not enough for them to merely tell you exactly what happened, then allow you to form an opinion...they ALL want to spin, twist, and color the story to favor a certain viewpoint. Sometimes done very, very surreptitiously...but done - nonetheless.

The "h**e" you reference is because the current generations do not remember the history of what came before, and how people suffered - on both sides of any issue - in order to get to where we are today.
Our permissiveness in society has bred contempt, and lack of self-responsibility - when mutual respect and civility should be the guide posts.

Because we have the mixed blessing of immediate media coverage ( Op Ed driven as it is...) we have the press using camera angles and other techniques to often make the story appear larger/worse than it is. Or - to subconsciously lay blame on one party or the other.
And - we tend to associate what perhaps is a small minority of individuals among their own "group" - whether it be religious affiliation or race - as the entire population. Stereotyping? Yes, but - we all form opinions and judgements before we get to know individuals. it is part of our "fight or flight" instinct.

The hard part is to consciously harness our ability to think FIRST and prioritize logic as the the first response to stimulus, THEN after that - we can allow ourselves to "feel".

The press desires to stir emotion in viewers. Emotion causes us to react - rather than think thru what we see or experience.

Even as they have caused the confusion you point out about race - or - religion.

There is only one race. The human race. All other defining "differences" should only be for the identification of individuals. Any use for differentiation beyond that should be suspect as part of a larger agenda - in which some individuals - or groups have intent to empower themselves over others.

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

the Jews mucked it up...being both. The two major proselytizing religions, Christianity and Islam depend on participation from all races.

teesquare Loc: USA

I knew it would not take long for ignorance an cerebral insufficiency to show up.

The "Jews" as you put it have done no more, nor any less to "muck it up".

Name ONE other group that throughout their history have been more victimized, and more en-s***ed.
And yet they continue to come back, stronger after every episode of attempted extinction via genocide. And they have welcomed others - who do not wish to destroy them - into their country, and their religion if those individuals choose. They do not overtly proselytize.

How can you possibly possess opposable thumbs and hold a camera with them.....?

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

Yeah but the problem is that they actively seek converts at the point of a gun. Yes Christianity has that in it's history. Except it was a sword. Proselytizing is just another way of saying Convert or we will k**l you

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

hello? I am not picking on the Jews, I have some Jewish blood, myself. If you actually read the OP, he's asking how religious affiliation has become confused with racial identity.

I was merely pointing out that much of the confusion results from one of the major world religions (Judism) also happening to be the name of a race of people.

Now, you're new, and looking to make some kind of street cred insulting people here in the attic... but a word of advise, don't go off like a knee-jerk when you think one of your buttons are pushed or you have righteous indignation... intelligent content is still the coin of the realm here in the attic

....in spite of all the insults (and my opposable thumbs work fine, I gotta tell you)

also, in my experience, Jewish people do no proselytize their religion... just Christians and Muslims.

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

:thumbup: rare agreement!

teesquare Loc: USA

You are absolutely anathema to an actual Jew. Your statement were the FIRST offensive. DO not lecture me about the "OP's intent" - when you cannot comprehend it outside the small-minded realm of selecting ONE group to bear the burden of your lack of grasping the issue.
READ MORE. travel more - live with people of many different beliefs and religions. It will change your mono-cultural focus, and when you comment from a knowing position- invariably - it will embarrass you less.

"Street creed"?? Are you kidding? I have ZERO ego about trying to speak up when the ham fisted lack of logic tries feebly to point at the Jews at the "fault" of the WORLD's problem.

Wow...your Momma must be proud....

teesquare Loc: USA

boberic wrote:
Yeah but the problem is that they actively seek converts at the point of a gun. Yes Christianity has that in it's history. Except it was a sword. Proselytizing is just another way of saying Convert or we will k**l you

User47602 wrote:
rare agreement!

I am going to assume you are speaking of the current minority group of Islam? At least we hope it is a minority group....They certainly are not helping their own cause with the world.

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

dude... you have either a comprehension problem or a persecution problem. Either way I am not disparaging the race of Jewish people, people of the Jewish religion or the independent state of Israel....

ok now you need to pay attention here....

the Jews are NOT at the "fault" of the WORLD's problem. The problem the OP is discussing is the confusion between race and religious nomenclature... (e.g. are Muslims a race? are Hindus a race or religion?)

the word "Jew" can denote either a religion or a race... this is my point no more, no less.

I suggest you work a bit on your insults and then look up LarryPayne or WholeTooth to practice your diatribes against.

dljen Loc: Central PA

You may want to give heed when somebody offers advice. You have no idea where User lives nor do you know what kind of photographical work he produces. You're going to owe him a big apology.

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

haha this is the internet... and this is the attic on the internet.

nobody owes anybody an apology... but an apology does speak to a certain level of civility that we should strive for.

teesquare Loc: USA

I have neither an issue of persecution, or comprehension. I think it was YOU that said THIS:
"the Jews mucked it up...being both." Granted - your lack of completing your explanation absolutely points that statement AT the Jews - as being "at fault". Better use of English, and the understanding that syntax is important, as well as the use of specific nouns - as opposed to "we, they, them" and so on will help me - and others - understand your intent.
I have not tried to insult you...yet. I have tried to shock you into thinking about HOW to write with direction and purpose. Because AGAIN...when YOU say THIS: "the Jews mucked it up...being both.", you cannot - with any degree of intellectual honesty expect others to "interpret" that statement as anything other than anti-Semite. PERIOD.
Do you understand?

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

so comprehension, then?

Q: What did the Jews muck up?
A: The answer to the OP's question: Religion is a race?


"I have not tried to insult you...yet." seriously? this is


I knew it would not take long for ignorance an cerebral insufficiency to show up.
How can you possibly possess opposable thumbs and hold a camera with them.....?
You are absolutely anathema to an actual Jew.
the ham fisted lack of logic
Wow...your Momma must be proud....

teesquare Loc: USA

Advice? Advice on how to place blame - then obfuscate that attempt? It was a bad use of English on Users part I think.

So - why should I owe him apology for insulting not just me - but an entire group?

Apology - when earned - will be forthcoming. I owe NO ONE an apology thus far for the offensive statement of : "the Jews mucked it up...being both."