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Jun 10, 2015 15:42:29   #
Ultra-Man Loc: Budapest, Hungary
 
If you are on a tripod in low light which gives a better overall picture? A longer shutter speed or a higher ISO?

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Jun 10, 2015 15:48:10   #
tsilva Loc: Arizona
 
depends on subject. if non-moving typically longer shutter will be better.

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Jun 10, 2015 15:59:25   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
I'll take the longer shutter speed. For some reason, it's hard for me to raise the ISO- maybe something left over from the film days.

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Jun 10, 2015 16:34:41   #
FrodoBaggins Loc: Texas
 
I do all I can to avoid high ISO.

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Jun 10, 2015 17:20:40   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
Why ask us? Make the setup in the dark and see what you like best Some of today's cameras do very well at IS) and some of the older ones are worse than terrible. - Davw\e

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Jun 10, 2015 19:40:11   #
Erik_H Loc: Denham Springs, Louisiana
 
Ultra-Man wrote:
If you are on a tripod in low light which gives a better overall picture? A longer shutter speed or a higher ISO?

There are actually three types of noise that can be introduced in digital images; Random, caused by short exposures and high ISOs, Fixed Pattern, caused by long exposures at low ISO, and Banding noise, which is camera dependent. There is a good article explaining this here. I would suggest trying different combinations of shutter speed and ISO to see which is the easiest to control and/or fix in post.

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Jun 10, 2015 19:53:16   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I shoot a tremendous number of low light images. I always shoot with a low ISO, 64 to 100, between f/11 and f/22, and a shutter speed up to 30 seconds. I shoot manual, remote release and Mup. About 1/4th of the time I use manual focus (nothing to be afraid of). A really good tripod and good heads are important.
Ultra-Man wrote:
If you are on a tripod in low light which gives a better overall picture? A longer shutter speed or a higher ISO?

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Jun 10, 2015 20:06:07   #
FrodoBaggins Loc: Texas
 
Erik_H wrote:
There are actually three types of noise that can be introduced in digital images; Random, caused by short exposures and high ISOs, Fixed Pattern, caused by long exposures at low ISO, and Banding noise, which is camera dependent. There is a good article explaining this here. I would suggest trying different combinations of shutter speed and ISO to see which is the easiest to control and/or fix in post.


Thanks very much for this post Erik!

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Jun 10, 2015 20:26:28   #
Erik_H Loc: Denham Springs, Louisiana
 
FrodoBaggins wrote:
Thanks very much for this post Erik!

You're welcome. That article and the links there changed the way I approach noise control.

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Jun 10, 2015 20:56:25   #
FrodoBaggins Loc: Texas
 
Erik_H wrote:
You're welcome. That article and the links there changed the way I approach noise control.


👍🏼

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Jun 11, 2015 02:30:39   #
Ultra-Man Loc: Budapest, Hungary
 
Erik_H wrote:
There are actually three types of noise that can be introduced in digital images; Random, caused by short exposures and high ISOs, Fixed Pattern, caused by long exposures at low ISO, and Banding noise, which is camera dependent. There is a good article explaining this here. I would suggest trying different combinations of shutter speed and ISO to see which is the easiest to control and/or fix in post.


Thanks Erik for your post. This article you linked really helped me.

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Jun 11, 2015 03:08:42   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Ultra-Man wrote:
If you are on a tripod in low light which gives a better overall picture? A longer shutter speed or a higher ISO?


A longer SS at base ISO providing the subject is stationary.

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Jun 11, 2015 06:52:29   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
DavidPine wrote:
I shoot a tremendous number of low light images. I always shoot with a low ISO, 64 to 100, between f/11 and f/22, and a shutter speed up to 30 seconds. I shoot manual, remote release and Mup. About 1/4th of the time I use manual focus (nothing to be afraid of). A really good tripod and good heads are important.


I'm with you. I never come off ISO 100 in low light. If the light is so low that autofocus barks, I manual focus. I have a cable release but I usually just use the 2 sec built in timer. I can go to ISO 50 but have not yet tried. Some of the dialog on 50 claims it is not better that 100 as it uses some interesting algorithm to get there.

What did you think of 64 vs 100?

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Jun 11, 2015 07:08:08   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Ultra-Man wrote:
If you are on a tripod in low light which gives a better overall picture? A longer shutter speed or a higher ISO?

here are lots of comparisons. Of course, it all depends on the camera. Some do very well with high ISO.

http://www.google.com/search?q=aperture+vs+high+iso&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS625US625&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=925&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB0QsARqFQoTCJnj7_e_h8YCFQpsrQodSWcA5w

Also -

http://photography.tutsplus.com/articles/quick-tip-balancing-iso-and-aperture-to-achieve-the-results-you-want--photo-9204

http://digital-photography-school.com/reasons-why-shoot-high-iso/

And here's a handy comparison tool.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&slotsCount=4&slot0Mode=JPEG&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&x=0.30847155341537363&y=-0.7093143108706943

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Jun 11, 2015 08:53:53   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
DavidPine wrote:
I shoot a tremendous number of low light images. I always shoot with a low ISO, 64 to 100, between f/11 and f/22, and a shutter speed up to 30 seconds. I shoot manual, remote release and Mup. About 1/4th of the time I use manual focus (nothing to be afraid of). A really good tripod and good heads are important.

David,
I have found a surprising amount of shake on apparently solid objects whe running long shutters. I mean like sidewalks, hotel floors w/ no one walking in the room. But earth always gives a good shot.

Do you think a better tripod would help in those cases? or maybe some kind of shock absorber (sand bags) would help?

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