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Jun 3, 2015 13:49:35   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
I am a right wing conservative and frankly I thought that when we took the Senate that things would start to get better. Sadly it is business as usual and America is still going down the tubes.......I want to vomit !!!
Congress has the power to stop the bleeding but they seem to be scared to do anything. Our country was founded on conservative values and had a strong Godly base. Today people are taking God out of everything and Congress is allowing this to continue. We are way over our limit in national debt and we are sending almost everything to some foreign country to be manufactured. We complain about jobs, HELLO !!!
Bring some manufacturing back and there will be jobs, lots of jobs. We need to start sending i******s back home to live, but I have no problem with them coming here to pick the crops no one wants to pick....How about prisoners rotting away in cells...They work the fields one day and one day is taken off their sentences....On and On..Maybe we need to v**e out everyone in Congress that does nothing and elect a whole new crew...We have a Constitution that has worked, lets use it...Excuse me, I have to go vomit again.

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Jun 3, 2015 14:06:56   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
:thumbup: when you're right, you're right.

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Jun 3, 2015 17:26:00   #
Valid Opinion Loc: Right Here
 
Scubie wrote:
I am a right wing conservative and frankly I thought that when we took the Senate that things would start to get better. Sadly it is business as usual and America is still going down the tubes.......I want to vomit !!!
Congress has the power to stop the bleeding but they seem to be scared to do anything. Our country was founded on conservative values and had a strong Godly base. Today people are taking God out of everything and Congress is allowing this to continue. We are way over our limit in national debt and we are sending almost everything to some foreign country to be manufactured. We complain about jobs, HELLO !!!
Bring some manufacturing back and there will be jobs, lots of jobs. We need to start sending i******s back home to live, but I have no problem with them coming here to pick the crops no one wants to pick....How about prisoners rotting away in cells...They work the fields one day and one day is taken off their sentences....On and On..Maybe we need to v**e out everyone in Congress that does nothing and elect a whole new crew...We have a Constitution that has worked, lets use it...Excuse me, I have to go vomit again.
I am a right wing conservative and frankly I thoug... (show quote)


Buy American made products and the jobs will return.

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Jun 3, 2015 17:28:40   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
everybody's hurtin, but the rich keep getting richer

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Jun 4, 2015 06:46:23   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
Greed and ego is indeed a problem....Some CEO's make outrageous amounts of money..Just what do they do with it...Some buy more homes than they need and stock each with stuff they don't need...Not only is America out of control but many people are....Values have gone out the window.......
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everybody's hurtin, but the rich keep getting richer

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Jun 4, 2015 12:55:48   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Scubie wrote:
Our country was founded on conservative values and had a strong Godly base.

I thought our country was founded on democratic values (not to be confused with democrat values).

Scubie wrote:
Today people are taking God out of everything and Congress is allowing this to continue.

Just for the sake of argument.....what exactly would you like Congress to do and what would be the visable outcome if they did this?
How would this make the USA a "better" place? Please be specific.

Scubie wrote:
We are way over our limit in national debt and we are sending almost everything to some foreign country to be manufactured. We complain about jobs, HELLO !!!
Bring some manufacturing back and there will be jobs, lots of jobs.
We need to start sending i******s back home to live, but I have no problem with them coming here to pick the crops no one wants to pick....
How about prisoners rotting away in cells...They work the fields one day and one day is taken off their sentences.
...On and On..Maybe we need to v**e out everyone in Congress that does nothing and elect a whole new crew.
..We have a Constitution that has worked, lets use it.
We are way over our limit in national debt and we ... (show quote)


Are you suggesting that the migrant workers would now be "legal", at least for the time they're working the crops?
Does that mean they should be paid a 'decent" wage? and have "decent" working conditions?

While bringing more manufacturing jobs back here is a very desireable thing, you do realize that these jobs would be union jobs (which conservatives wouldn't like)
which means the cost of manufacturing is higher and all of us pay more for the item.
If the job aren't union jobs, are you suggesting that American work for the same wage that a person in China works for?....just asking.

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Jun 5, 2015 14:39:15   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
Great question,,,,,,,Ok, I do not like unions, but I was in one for thirty some years. Union wages are responsible for many companies jumping ship to China, etc. No manufacturing company has to accept a union, and one company I worked for refused any union; in fact if anyone even suggested a union or the establishment of one, they would have been terminated. That was then, who knows how the laws have changed. As far a i******s, they would in my opinion never become legal unless they went through the process of becoming a citizen, no amnesty ever. We have i*********n l*ws that have been twisted and this is wrong. It has been said though, from some of the large farmers in California, if they did not have the illegal pickers, then the crops would rot in the fields. Again we have prisoners rotting in their cells and I say give all of them one day off their sentenses for one day in the fields. America has thousands of prisoners and quite frankly, I would rather work the fields than sit in a jail cell...Ok, it's complicated.
As far as wages,in factories, pay a decent wage, higher than welfare and see how many takers there are. but in essence, fixing America is simply common sense.
As far as conservative values verses democratic values, many people think America was founded on conservative values. I think there was a blend of both conservative and democratic values...Your reply was based on great thought and I applaud that.To answer your question of Chinese wages, no! we would not get away with that, as long as there was welfare.
chrisscholbe wrote:
Are you suggesting that the migrant workers would now be "legal", at least for the time they're working the crops?
Does that mean they should be paid a 'decent" wage? and have "decent" working conditions?

While bringing more manufacturing jobs back here is a very desireable thing, you do realize that these jobs would be union jobs (which conservatives wouldn't like)
which means the cost of manufacturing is higher and all of us pay more for the item.
If the job aren't union jobs, are you suggesting that American work for the same wage that a person in China works for?....just asking.
Are you suggesting that the migrant workers would ... (show quote)

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Jun 5, 2015 16:05:57   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Scubie wrote:
Great question,,,,,,,Ok, I do not like unions, but I was in one for thirty some years. Union wages are responsible for many companies jumping ship to China, etc. No manufacturing company has to accept a union, and one company I worked for refused any union; in fact if anyone even suggested a union or the establishment of one, they would have been terminated. That was then, who knows how the laws have changed. As far a i******s, they would in my opinion never become legal unless they went through the process of becoming a citizen, no amnesty ever. We have i*********n l*ws that have been twisted and this is wrong. It has been said though, from some of the large farmers in California, if they did not have the illegal pickers, then the crops would rot in the fields. Again we have prisoners rotting in their cells and I say give all of them one day off their sentences for one day in the fields. America has thousands of prisoners and quite frankly, I would rather work the fields than sit in a jail cell...Ok, it's complicated.
As far as wages,in factories, pay a decent wage, higher than welfare and see how many takers there are. but in essence, fixing America is simply common sense.
As far as conservative values verses democratic values, many people think America was founded on conservative values. I think there was a blend of both conservative and democratic values...Your reply was based on great thought and I applaud that.To answer your question of Chinese wages, no! we would not get away with that, as long as there was welfare.
Great question,,,,,,,Ok, I do not like unions, but... (show quote)

The big problem I see with using prisoners is lack of motivation.
Reducing their sentence MIGHT work, but there would have to be performance standards.
If they don't meet the standard they go back to their cell. We don't want prisoners just standing around not doing much and getting the same benefit as those who do work. There will ALWAYS be those who will try to "game" the system.
This might work for enough prisoners to work all the jobs required.

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Jun 6, 2015 13:07:11   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
I think they could make a clear rule, they work or they go back to their cells; if this happens they would lose future work unless they proved themselves. To prove worthy they must work for one month, but the catch is this, for that first thirty days they would not get to take a day off their sentences.
chrisscholbe wrote:
The big problem I see with using prisoners is lack of motivation.
Reducing their sentence MIGHT work, but there would have to be performance standards.
If they don't meet the standard they go back to their cell. We don't want prisoners just standing around not doing much and getting the same benefit as those who do work. There will ALWAYS be those who will try to "game" the system.
This might work for enough prisoners to work all the jobs required.

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Jun 6, 2015 13:10:29   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
It is getting harder to find anything made in America..
Valid Opinion wrote:
Buy American made products and the jobs will return.

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Jun 6, 2015 13:15:09   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
Scubie wrote:
It is getting harder to find anything made in America..


we're still pretty good at making war.

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Jun 6, 2015 13:19:19   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
I was a Democrat at one time and v**ed for Clinton..you know what, he left this country in great financial shape. I have no idea what Hillary might do if she gets into office. I will tell you one thing, she speaks her mind and no one would push her around. I kinda like that in her. Maybe we do need a woman in the oval office. Of course, I would like to see a Conservative woman president. Just pick any gorgeous woman off Fox News. I v**e for Megyn Kelly, she is beyond gorgeous and super intelligent...
chrisscholbe wrote:
Are you suggesting that the migrant workers would now be "legal", at least for the time they're working the crops?
Does that mean they should be paid a 'decent" wage? and have "decent" working conditions?

While bringing more manufacturing jobs back here is a very desireable thing, you do realize that these jobs would be union jobs (which conservatives wouldn't like)
which means the cost of manufacturing is higher and all of us pay more for the item.
If the job aren't union jobs, are you suggesting that American work for the same wage that a person in China works for?....just asking.
Are you suggesting that the migrant workers would ... (show quote)

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Jun 6, 2015 13:26:57   #
Scubie Loc: Brunswick Georgia
 
Yes we are, and maybe we should stay out of foreign countries unless they attack America.
green wrote:
we're still pretty good at making war.

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