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Jun 6, 2015 10:16:52   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
blackest wrote:
Thanks for an interesting thread fella's, more thoughts to chew over.

One quick question when using shallow depth of field sometimes the out of focus bits are nice creamy blobs of colour other times a mass of tiny rings any idea's what factors of a lens cause this difference?

For example I got rings at 55mm and f2 focused around 6 feet to the subject. I wanted the shallow depth of field but the shot didn't work with all those distracting circles.


look up "bokeh". Affected by the optics and the blade arrangement used for aperature.

not sure of the mass of tiny ring, unless it a mass of light point sources..can you post an example?

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Jun 6, 2015 12:07:48   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
zigipha wrote:
look up "bokeh". Affected by the optics and the blade arrangement used for aperature.

not sure of the mass of tiny ring, unless it a mass of light point sources..can you post an example?


This shot shows it pretty well

bubbly rings limited exif as its manual but 55mm and about f2
bubbly rings limited exif as its manual but 55mm a...
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Jun 6, 2015 16:03:30   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
blackest wrote:
This shot shows it pretty well


looks like you have specular highlights on all the blades..so each blade is giving a dot of blur.. yes?

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Jun 6, 2015 17:04:30   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
zigipha wrote:
...not sure of the mass of tiny ring, unless it a mass of light point sources..can you post an example?


If you wish to combine narrow depth of field with out of focus specular highlights then you will need to invest in a lens capable of bokeh.

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Jun 6, 2015 20:27:14   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
oldtigger wrote:
If you wish to combine narrow depth of field with out of focus specular highlights then you will need to invest in a lens capable of bokeh.


So to track down such a lens ...

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Jun 6, 2015 20:31:25   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
blackest wrote:
So to track down such a lens ...


What lenses do you have presently?

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Jun 6, 2015 20:55:54   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Weddingguy wrote:
What lenses do you have presently?


mostly manual lenses
ka 50mm f2 pentax
55mm f1.7 topcor
18-55mm da samsung f3.5 - f5.6
pentax 75-150 f4 km
pentax ka 28-80 f3.5 - f4.5
tamron 80-210mm km f3.8-f4
sigma 75-300mm f4.5- f5.6 km
sigma 80-200mm f4.5 - f5.6 ka

i'd say my favourite lenses would be the topcor and the sigma 75-300mm

i also have a f1.7 35mm and a 14-42 panasonic on m43 and theres a 28-135mm on my canon eos-d1 mark II.

that pretty much covers most of my lenses

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Jun 6, 2015 21:33:13   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
blackest wrote:
mostly manual lenses
ka 50mm f2 pentax
55mm f1.7 topcor
18-55mm da samsung f3.5 - f5.6
pentax 75-150 f4 km
pentax ka 28-80 f3.5 - f4.5
tamron 80-210mm km f3.8-f4
sigma 75-300mm f4.5- f5.6 km
sigma 80-200mm f4.5 - f5.6 ka

i'd say my favourite lenses would be the topcor and the sigma 75-300mm


i also have a f1.7 35mm and a 14-42 panasonic on m43 and theres a 28-135mm on my canon eos-d1 mark II.

that pretty much covers most of my lenses


More than one really needs . . . sounds like you're a collector :-D

Most any lens will give you bokeh . . . if you are close enough to the subject and far enough away from the background. The quality of bokeh is created by the roundness of the iris in your lens. Generally the more leaves in the iris, the smoother the circumference of the opening . . . the smoother and more round the bokeh. Not all backgrounds let you create bokeh, as it is the blurred image of a light source/reflection/high light. Also generally the more wide open the lens, the shallower the DOF, the more the background is OOF . . . the more pronounced the bokeh.

Your 55mm f1.7 topcor, wide open, and the tamron 80-210mm km f3.8-f4, wide open and the zoom set at 80 mm (to get maximum aperture of F/3.8), should both produce good bokeh.

Now . . . having said all that . . . I would like to add that, in my humble opinion, bokeh is incredibly over rated. I hear lots of discussion here on the forum about bokeh and the special equipment and skills to create it . . . and many of the examples of the bokeh that have been shown are lacking in necessary sharpness of the subject matter, good composition and even poor exposure. A portrait with nice bokeh . . . and at the same time with only one eye in focus, is not an acceptable result. If you must have bokeh, so be it, but not at the expense of the other, more important necessities of a good image.

I love a nice bokeh used properly, but I certainly would not purchase a so called "bokeh lens" to accomplish it. A "bokeh" lens is like a "portrait" lens . . . they are a figment of the imagination of advertising gurus trying to lure you into spending more of you hard earned $$$$$

Hope that helps . . .

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Jun 6, 2015 21:38:43   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Weddingguy wrote:
More than one really needs . . . sounds like you're a collector :-D

Most any lens will give you bokeh . . . if you are close enough to the subject and far enough away from the background. The quality of bokeh is created by the roundness of the iris in your lens. Generally the more leaves in the iris, the smoother the circumference of the opening . . . the smoother and more round the bokeh. Not all backgrounds let you create bokeh, as it is the blurred image of a light source/reflection/high light. Also generally the more wide open the lens, the shallower the DOF, the more the background is OOF . . . the more pronounced the bokeh.



Your 55mm f1.7 topcor, wide open, and the tamron 80-210mm km f3.8-f4, wide open and the zoom set at 80 mm (to get maximum aperture of F/3.8), should both produce good bokeh.

Now . . . having said all that . . . I would like to add that, in my humble opinion, bokeh is incredibly over rated. I hear lots of discussion here on the forum about bokeh and the special equipment and skills to create it . . . and many of the examples of the bokeh that have been shown are lacking in necessary sharpness of the subject matter, good composition and even poor exposure. A portrait with nice bokeh . . . and at the same time with only one eye in focus, is not an acceptable result. If you must have bokeh, so be it, but not at the expense of the other, more important necessities of a good image.

I love a nice bokeh used properly, but I certainly would not purchase a so called "bokeh lens" to accomplish it. A "bokeh" lens is like a "portrait" lens . . . they are a figment of the imagination of advertising gurus trying to lure you into spending more of you hard earned $$$$$

Hope that helps . . .
More than one really needs . . . sounds like you'r... (show quote)


yes i will have to play tomorrow and see what results i get. in the mean time i have been looking at ebay....

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Jun 6, 2015 23:06:15   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
blackest wrote:
yes i will have to play tomorrow and see what results i get. in the mean time i have been looking at ebay....


. . . . to add to your collection? :shock:

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Jun 6, 2015 23:28:29   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Weddingguy wrote:
. . . . to add to your collection? :shock:


well a 28-200mm f3.8-f5.6 fa

then theres a couple of Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm F3.5 Sonnar MC m42 fit.
and a
Takumar 55mm F1.8 m42
also a Pentax f1.7 smc ka 50mm

hopefully one will come my way :)

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Jun 9, 2015 11:07:26   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
when absolutely necessary, and there is no other way of obtaining a photograph or digital image, you go to the maximum aperture. it is not a matter of small versus large, but a matter of available dark.

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