Adjusting color in lightroom - is this cool or what?
May 29, 2015 14:23:30 #
This falls in "preaching to the choir" category, but I was so thrilled that I just had to mention it.
I am selling some of my daughter's clothes on eBay, and there is this dress that is cobalt blue. Sure enough, when I took pictures of it, it looked nothing like itself. Color slider comes in, and voila! Perfectly represented dress.
When I lived in England, I took a lot of pictures of flowers with my p&s (they have the most amazing flowers! or gardens for that matter) and was always really annoyed that purple/blue ones never came close to having the color properly represented. I can't wait to go back to England now that I shoot in Raw and have LR.
I am selling some of my daughter's clothes on eBay, and there is this dress that is cobalt blue. Sure enough, when I took pictures of it, it looked nothing like itself. Color slider comes in, and voila! Perfectly represented dress.
When I lived in England, I took a lot of pictures of flowers with my p&s (they have the most amazing flowers! or gardens for that matter) and was always really annoyed that purple/blue ones never came close to having the color properly represented. I can't wait to go back to England now that I shoot in Raw and have LR.
May 29, 2015 16:47:39 #
May 30, 2015 08:05:42 #
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May 30, 2015 10:06:28 #
psychomom wrote:
This falls in "preaching to the choir" c... (show quote)
I don't know about other programs, but in Photoshop Elements (and likely in Photoshop as well) you can open a .jpg as a raw file and use the sliders.
You'd have to go by memory, but still, it may be worth a try.
Open the program, then File -> Open in Camera Raw
May 30, 2015 10:41:52 #
Morning Star wrote:
I don't know about other programs, but in Photoshop Elements (and likely in Photoshop as well) you can open a .jpg as a raw file and use the sliders.
You'd have to go by memory, but still, it may be worth a try.
Open the program, then File -> Open in Camera Raw
You'd have to go by memory, but still, it may be worth a try.
Open the program, then File -> Open in Camera Raw
LR also opens jpg and raw so why Elements? She was just thrilled to take the next step and start working LR and RAW and have 12-14 bits of color to match what she saw. And LR is also non-destructive with RAW.
May 30, 2015 12:37:23 #
pithydoug wrote:
LR also opens jpg and raw so why Elements? She was just thrilled to take the next step and start working LR and RAW and have 12-14 bits of color to match what she saw. And LR is also non-destructive with RAW.
1. This is an open forum, and not everyone on the forum uses LR.
2. Many people do use PSE or PS (without also using Lr), but from just talking to people, I know that many do not know you can open .jpg images in ACR.
3. I think that on an open forum, I'd be allowed to give additional information to a question asked or comment made.
4. This specific comment is in reaction to "now that I shoot in Raw." Maybe my line of thought went off on the wrong track, but from that statement I take it that earlier OP shot in .jpg.
That means that she possibly has a number of photos where she's not happy with the colour(s) in the photo. And so, by pointing out, not only to her, but to everyone who reads this thread on the forum, others may be helped as well.
OK, that's enough for defending myself!
Psychomom, I hope YOU don't mind I added som extra info!
May 30, 2015 13:39:07 #
I never mind extra info, I have actually fixed some of my old bad exposure jpegs in LR (because that's what I have), so it's good to know what can be done.
I think I was particularly impressed by this color fix, because I have *forever* (ok, decades) been annoyed by inability of my various (p&s) cameras to capture the blues -- sea, sky, flowers, ... so this feels like a magic wand.
I think I was particularly impressed by this color fix, because I have *forever* (ok, decades) been annoyed by inability of my various (p&s) cameras to capture the blues -- sea, sky, flowers, ... so this feels like a magic wand.
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May 30, 2015 20:21:05 #
Morning Star wrote:
I don't know about other programs, but in Photoshop Elements (and likely in Photoshop as well) you can open a .jpg as a raw file and use the sliders....
This statement is wrong. You can make a jpg out of a raw but you cannot make raw out of a jpg. Opening a jpg in Adobe Camera Raw does not make it a raw.
May 30, 2015 20:26:11 #
psychomom wrote:
This falls in "preaching to the choir" c... (show quote)
I have shot lots of flowers, and I have noticed that with blues and purples, especially with irises, just don't render properly. It isn't a question of white balance, I know I had that right, it's just some property of the colors in the flowers.
May 30, 2015 20:31:09 #
abc1234 wrote:
This statement is wrong. You can make a jpg out of a raw but you cannot make raw out of a jpg. Opening a jpg in Adobe Camera Raw does not make it a raw.
Did I say you could make a raw file out of a jpg?
What I said was, "you can open a .jpg as a raw file."
Maybe I should have been a bit wordier and said something like "You can open a jpg into ACR so you can treat it as if it is a raw file."
The point was that you can tell PSE to open that jpg in ACR and then treat it as if it is a raw file - making colour adjustments nice and easy!
May 30, 2015 20:33:45 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
I have shot lots of flowers, and I have noticed that with blues and purples, especially with irises, just don't render properly. It isn't a question of white balance, I know I had that right, it's just some property of the colors in the flowers.
How do you know you have the right white balance? How did you set it? What did you do post-processing? What do you mean by not rendering properly? Are you looking at a monitor or prints?
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May 30, 2015 20:43:51 #
Morning Star wrote:
Did I say you could make a raw file out of a jpg?
What I said was, "you can open a .jpg as a raw file."
Maybe I should have been a bit wordier and said something like "You can open a jpg into ACR so you can treat it as if it is a raw file."
The point was that you can tell PSE to open that jpg in ACR and then treat it as if it is a raw file - making colour adjustments nice and easy!
What I said was, "you can open a .jpg as a raw file."
Maybe I should have been a bit wordier and said something like "You can open a jpg into ACR so you can treat it as if it is a raw file."
The point was that you can tell PSE to open that jpg in ACR and then treat it as if it is a raw file - making colour adjustments nice and easy!
Hi Morning Star. I still disagree with you. For editing purposes, the jpg is probably only 8-bit while the raw is 12, 14 or 16-bit. I do not remember the details but I think the raw is 12 or 14 but rendered as 16. Regardless, the raw has a lot more information so something like ACR has much more to work with. That is why you can save pictures that are horribly underexposed or with dreadful colors. JPG's do not have anywhere near that latitude. Even though ACR has very convenient and powerful tools, it still cannot reverse engineer a jpg into a raw. Once the camera throws away those extra bits when making a jpg, that information is GFE, gone forever. I hope this clarifies the matter.
Regardless of the file type, these programs render a file into something you can view and manipulate. If you make the analogy that a film negative or slide is like the computer file, you could hold up the film and see what is on it. Not so with a computer file. The technology has changed everything, almost.
May 30, 2015 21:10:41 #
abc1234 wrote:
Hi Morning Star. I still disagree with you.
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What you are saying is true if you still have the raw file
OP clearly stated that she is "now" shooting in raw.
I was referring to older jpg's that she still has and that may want to have their blues and purples adjusted.
And if you disgree, go and take it up with Adobe!
Their program (PSE) says:
"Open in Camera Raw"
Available options (and ALL of these can be applied to a jpg):
White Balance: As shot, Auto, Custom
Sliders under Basic: Temperature, Tint, Exposure, Contrast, Highlights, Shadows, Whites, Blacks, Clarity, Vibrance, Saturation.
Sliders under Sharpening: Amount, Radius, Detail, Masking.
Sliders under Noise Reduction: Luminance, Luminance Detail, Luminance Contrast, Colour, Colour Detail.
And even in a jpg opened in ACR I have the choice of editing as 8-bit or 16-bits per channel. But I'll be the first one to admit that 8 or 16 bits is still a puzzle to me - mostly because I've never made an effort to learn about it.
But in the end, and that was the point of my post, by opening a jpg photo in ACR, it is easier to adjust the colours than it is in PSE Enhancements.
'nough said!
May 31, 2015 00:30:05 #
abc1234 wrote:
How do you know you have the right white balance? How did you set it? What did you do post-processing? What do you mean by not rendering properly? Are you looking at a monitor or prints?
I used a custom white balance, and shooting blue and purple irises together. Both on the monitor and in prints, they both looked like the same color, closer to purple than blue
May 31, 2015 06:45:06 #
John, how did you set the white balance? From a table, arbitrarily, gray card, Expodisc? Only the last two really work to reproduce the overall white balance. From what I have read, you need something like the X-Rite Color Checker to improve the reproduction of the colors rather than a correct overall white balance.
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