Workflows - Sharpening
May 19, 2015 15:44:44 #
Working with ACR 9 and PSElements 13, I am undecided about when to sharpen in the workflow.
ACR allows work in 12-bit mode, but one can't see the final PSE PP until after conversion to 8-bit in PSE (I can't do 16-bit).
At the moment, I shoot raw, camera neutral, and set ACR to Adobe 2012 and Camera Neutral, with everything on the sharpening page set to zero.
I think that sharpening in ACR might be best, but find it also adds noise when in PSE (I might have other confusions, such as sharpening again in PSE).
Suggestions and examples welcome.
ACR allows work in 12-bit mode, but one can't see the final PSE PP until after conversion to 8-bit in PSE (I can't do 16-bit).
At the moment, I shoot raw, camera neutral, and set ACR to Adobe 2012 and Camera Neutral, with everything on the sharpening page set to zero.
I think that sharpening in ACR might be best, but find it also adds noise when in PSE (I might have other confusions, such as sharpening again in PSE).
Suggestions and examples welcome.
May 19, 2015 15:49:36 #
Leitz
Loc: Solms
Fred Harwood wrote:
Working with ACR 9 and PSElements 13, I am undecid... (show quote)
I believe the recommendation is to sharpen last.
May 19, 2015 15:57:30 #
May 19, 2015 16:08:24 #
Fred Harwood wrote:
Working with ACR 9 and PSElements 13, I am undecid... (show quote)
Workflow:
ACR - crop, exposure, lens, and colour adjustments.
PS - sharpen, burn/dodge, vignette.
Pretty much done at that point.
I like working with an image that is as sharp as it is going to be. I use one of several methods for sharpening. Sharpening, first off, gives me the best image with which to work the remaining processes.
--Bob
May 19, 2015 21:45:22 #
With PSE and RAW files, I open in Camera Raw to adjust exposure, WB, etc., then noise reduction, then sharpen last.
May 19, 2015 21:46:59 #
rmalarz wrote:
Sharpening, first off, gives me the best image with which to work the remaining processes.
--Bob
--Bob
Except I don't want sharper noise. Whatever other steps are involved, I want to denoise prior to sharpening.
May 20, 2015 06:11:38 #
GeneC
Loc: Rhode Island
The usual recommendation is to do it last, but there are those that do a bit during raw conversion. I have tried sharpening during conversion and now do a bit while converting and then a bit more at the end if it still needs it. As with everything in Adobe there are many ways to do the same thing. It comes down to your personal workflow.
May 20, 2015 06:38:00 #
As always, the best answer is "it depends" on a lot of things. Subject matter dictates the total amount of sharpening, as well as final output size and media. There are two professional level works on sharpening if you really want to get the best result.
"Image Sharpening with Adobe Photoshop, Camera Raw, and Lightroom" by the Late Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe is an excellent reference that explains when, why and how much.
Perhaps the most professional level discussion is embedded in the books "Professional Photoshop, Fifth Edition" and "Modern Photoshop Color Workflow" both by Dan Margulis.
The first is by far easier reading. Margulis, on the other hand, delves into sharpening as related to color balance, channels and some esoteric moves that require a lot of study to understand, although you don't have to understand why if you know how to implement his methods. These are the ultimate bibles for image editing using Photoshop.
"Image Sharpening with Adobe Photoshop, Camera Raw, and Lightroom" by the Late Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe is an excellent reference that explains when, why and how much.
Perhaps the most professional level discussion is embedded in the books "Professional Photoshop, Fifth Edition" and "Modern Photoshop Color Workflow" both by Dan Margulis.
The first is by far easier reading. Margulis, on the other hand, delves into sharpening as related to color balance, channels and some esoteric moves that require a lot of study to understand, although you don't have to understand why if you know how to implement his methods. These are the ultimate bibles for image editing using Photoshop.
May 20, 2015 07:10:36 #
There are three types of sharpening
1. Capture sharpening
2. Creative Sharpening
3. Output sharpening.
http://laurashoe.com/2011/08/21/sharpening-in-lightroom-part-one-overview-and-capture-sharpening/
1. Capture sharpening
2. Creative Sharpening
3. Output sharpening.
http://laurashoe.com/2011/08/21/sharpening-in-lightroom-part-one-overview-and-capture-sharpening/
May 20, 2015 07:15:57 #
OddJobber wrote:
Except I don't want sharper noise. Whatever other steps are involved, I want to denoise prior to sharpening.
That's a great idea. Thank you.
May 20, 2015 09:26:52 #
May 20, 2015 09:41:09 #
I agree with steveg48. I use capture sharpen to compensate for the effect of the filter that is over the sensor. Then after opening in PS, and after I have processed the raw image to my satisfaction, I use creative sharpening on the master image which I then save. When I want to make a print or a web image, I copy the master image, size it for output, and then use output sharpening to sharpen for the particular size and and particular output. I use a piece of software by PixelGenius to do my sharpening.
May 20, 2015 10:15:07 #
Mark7829
Loc: Calfornia
Fred Harwood wrote:
Working with ACR 9 and PSElements 13, I am undecid... (show quote)
I sharpen but is selective and local. Some parts of an image needs sharpening and other parts do not. If you over sharpen you will develop halos over the edges. I use to sharpen in ACR but now I sharpen exclusively in PS with Nik's Viviza 2. I can selectively sharpen various areas and avoid sharpening others. My process is to sharpen locally not globally. It gives me more control.
May 20, 2015 10:45:54 #
Mark7829 wrote:
I sharpen but is selective and local. Some parts of an image needs sharpening and other parts do not. If you over sharpen you will develop halos over the edges. I use to sharpen in ACR but now I sharpen exclusively in PS with Nik's Viviza 2. I can selectively sharpen various areas and avoid sharpening others. My process is to sharpen locally not globally. It gives me more control.
Output sharpening needs to be done globally
May 20, 2015 10:53:59 #
Mark7829
Loc: Calfornia
steveg48 wrote:
Output sharpening needs to be done globally
Why? Where does that rule come from? I sharpen eyes and other selected areas but there is no need to sharpen intentionally blur/bokeh in for example a macro shot. To sharpen blur with global sharpening is just wrong. ( and that is putting it lightly).
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