GoofyNewfie wrote:
Xiaoding wrote:
Hey! You need a FILM camera!
Or a full size sensor digital camera. Big bucks.
But a 5mp small sensor rig ain't gonna give you any bokeh, ever.
Film cameras are cheap, and bokeh all over the place.
What's your definition of bokeh?
Bokeh is not the same as shallow depth of field.
Bokeh refers to the quality of the out of focus areas, specifically visible in the highlights.
Ifyou have shallow depth of field, you have the potential for bokeh. The bokeh itself, is determined by the quality of the lens, etc.
Since many small sensors do not even have the shallow depth of field, good luck getting any bokeh with them!
tramsey wrote:
I hate this forum. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hate this forum. Two reasons: First, It's addictive. I'm sure you all understand what I'm taking about so I won't explain. Second, A lot of years ago I bought a camera that I thought I could handle. I took all kinds of pictures, grand kids, flowers, at the zoo, etc, etc, etc. Perfectly happy. then I ran across this forum and saw all the really, really sharp photos. All of a sudden mine didn't look so good. I posted a couple and got blasted. That's fine. I was told my focus was off several feet from the subject and my compostion was nonexsitent and several other things. That's good. MWAC told me in no uncertain terms, GET OFF P(program,automatic). Hey that's scary!
Things are coming along and now I'm trying to get good bokeh, blur out the background. Unable to accomplish this. What am I doing wrong? All the pictures were taken with a bridge camera a Lumex DMC FZ 20. (I said a lot of years ago)
#1 F 2.8
1/640
#2 F3.7
1/400
#3 F2.8
1/25
I have a thick skin so don't spare the horse power. I want to know why my bokeh stinks
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I am not sure what type of lens you are using but the further away you are from the subject the greater depth of field you will have in your picts. I shoot a lot of macro with both 100 and 180mm lenses and on close focus I get all kinds of bokeh from background objects that are only inches away from my subject, but if I shoot something far away then they behave more like a regular portrait or telephoto lenses.
Xiaoding wrote:
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Xiaoding wrote:
Hey! You need a FILM camera!
Or a full size sensor digital camera. Big bucks.
But a 5mp small sensor rig ain't gonna give you any bokeh, ever.
Film cameras are cheap, and bokeh all over the place.
What's your definition of bokeh?
Bokeh is not the same as shallow depth of field.
Bokeh refers to the quality of the out of focus areas, specifically visible in the highlights.
Ifyou have shallow depth of field, you have the potential for bokeh. The bokeh itself, is determined by the quality of the lens, etc.
Since many small sensors do not even have the shallow depth of field, good luck getting any bokeh with them!
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I understand what you are saying.
That's the advantage of a ff sensor: even over a DX it makes a visible difference with depth of field. Would love to get my hands on a medium format digicam.
I understand what you are saying.
That's the advantage of a ff sensor: even over a DX it makes a visible difference with depth of field. Would love to get my hands on a medium format digicam.[/quote]
A mere $40,000, last time I looked!
Now, my used Pentx 645, which I just got...$500! $39,600 pays for a lot of film.
Xiaoding wrote:
I understand what you are saying.
That's the advantage of a ff sensor: even over a DX it makes a visible difference with depth of field. Would love to get my hands on a medium format digicam.
A mere $40,000, last time I looked!
Now, my used Pentx 645, which I just got...$500! $39,600 pays for a lot of film.
Yep- and a nice darkroom too.
I used to have a couple of Mamiya RB 67's.
A few photos still in my portfolio were shot with them.
You can see them in my profile.
The Pentax is a fantastic camera! I use to use those too.
Enjoy it!
Hi,
This may not be what you want to hear. However, the latest canon L lenses have a round iris and it is claimed the bokeh is greatly improved, I must admit that I agree, and these lenses are definatley superior to others that I have used. As for your present equipment I hope others, more knowledgable than I, may be able to help more. Norman
Iowegan wrote:
vislp wrote:
Hey everyone, you're talking about two completely different things here.
Bokeh is NOT blurred background. Hence English Wolf's comment I assume.
VisLP
This was my thinking on this topic, too.
I understood that bokeh is in reference to small points of light within the composition, except that, they're out of the DoF of the point of focus. But, just because some artifacts within the composition are out of the DoF, doesn't make them bokeh.
The desired effect and description
is those little points of circular light within the composition.
Maybe I'm wrong, but, it's what I understood it to be.
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I chose to quote this reply because I think your avatar, Iowegan, shows an example of some nice Bokeh.
I also like the Bokeh in this flower pic the DW took. (untouched in PP) Bokeh-licious! as in eyeful tasty!
Bokeh can happen by accident, but with some forethought (read advice about DOF and Camera, Lens, settings, backdrops and distance, etc..) you can make Bokeh for a great background to present your subject within. I saw a local Saturday garden show featuring a photographer capturing butterflies and he had propped up his grandkids blue plastic kiddy pool against something distant in his background. Worked great too.
Some lens's tout their "creamy bokeh" attributes. They don't just take pictures, they make pictures.
WDYT?
"Bokeh-licious"
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