davefales Loc: Virginia

The most obvious data used by proponents of "g****l w*****g"/"c*****e c****e" are the surface temperature data. It has puzzled me for some time that I read about record-setting high temperatures reported by NOAA at the same time that the satellite sensors seem to find no significant warming for 18 years.

It appears that a group of real scientists will try to resolve the disparity:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11561629/Top-scientists-start-to-examine-fiddled-global-warming-figures.html#disqus_thread

Key quotes: "These temperature records are not the only ones with official status. The other two, Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) and the University of Alabama (UAH), are based on a quite different method of measuring temperature data, by satellites. And these, as they have increasingly done in recent years, give a strikingly different picture. Neither shows last month as anything like the hottest March on record, any more than they showed 2014 as “the hottest year ever”.

and

"Careful analysts have come up with hundreds of examples of how the original data recorded by 3,000-odd weather stations has been “adjusted”, to exaggerate the degree to which the Earth has actually been warming. Figures from earlier decades have repeatedly been adjusted downwards and more recent data adjusted upwards, to show the Earth having warmed much more dramatically than the original data justified."

I'm sure the five scientists are all paid employees of big oil. sarc/

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

Michigan is emerging out of one of its coldest winters - EVER! And the warmists tell me that is due to g****l w*****g. By that logic, California is having one of its wettest years - EVER!

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

...love the "/sarc" :)

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Why anyone puts any faith in their prediction models is beyond me. They have been grossly in error but this myth isn't based on scientific fact but faith, faith based on "it must be true" because nobody would make up a lie that big.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Thanks for alerting us to this article, Dave. I've been wondering how long it would take before some suspicious scientists were going to finally start checking the GISS data. As was the case with the Hockey Stick Graph, it took five years before anyone in the entire world even inquired into Michael Mann's methodology and data. And even then Mann stonewalled for years before finally releasing his information. I expect the scientists at Nasa, Hadcrut, and NOAA to do the same stonewalling to prevent anyone else from checking their data.

davefales Loc: Virginia

Your welcome, Steven. I posted it specifically to aid the arguments of us "skeptics"...and to possibly catch the attention of fair-minded neutrals. And the polls seem to indicate there are lots of people who don't even think about it.

And the taxpayers pay for that data to be doctored.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Polls in the U.S. seem to show that hardly anybody puts g****l w*****g at the top of their list of problems. I think in the U.S. we've reached a turning point where the majority of people no longer believe in it. Trouble is that of those who still believe in the s**m occupy all the top government positions.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

The Progressives will not easily back away from the r********n of this myth as it is a path to more oppressive and pervasive government control of our daily lives. If this becomes an embarrassment that is too difficult to bear they will find another path to diminish individual rights and property which is at the heart of the anthropomorphic g****l w*****g s**m.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

It puts (our) money in their pockets.

davefales Loc: Virginia

gmcase and NeilL nail it: control and tax dollars for other schemes.

James Shaw

Yes, the big picture is needed and yet will come.

If it be now, tis not to come,
If be not to come, it will be now.
If it be not now, yet it will come.
The readiness is all.
William Shakespeare

James Shaw

It's all about curbing global pollution emissions. What we breathe is not clean but could be. Nothing wrong on focusing on cleaning the air that we breathe? The other will fall in place.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

Better arrest that volcano in Chile that's belching more pollution than man can produce.

James Shaw

Good point, but history shows that will curb itself. Now the magma under Yellowstone, should that erupt, that would be another matter.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

That is a scary one. Not a desirable location for a volcano. BTW: In 1992 (?) Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines dumped more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere in the first 24 hours than man has produced in his history.