Inside Malaga Cathedral - Which Verticals and Horizontals Would You Correct?
Apr 15, 2015 17:52:36 #
A while back I was in Malaga Cathedral, Spain, taking photographs, The image here has some verticals and horizontals that need correcting - simple enough, right? Well, not exactly because a few buddies and I have had fun arguing over what needs correcting and what does not. The guy was included to give a sense of scale.
Now it's your turn - have at it in any way you choose.
Have fun.
Now it's your turn - have at it in any way you choose.
Have fun.
My weird PP attempt - Yep, I know it's horrible.
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Here's the original shot in .jpg
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Apr 15, 2015 18:23:09 #
Apr 15, 2015 19:46:30 #
I was hoping Houghton would come along ..... nobody does leveling and straightening better.
Apr 15, 2015 19:48:25 #
I think you might be little wrong, I've seen some pretty strong work being done on this channel. But thanks anyway.
I have been out in the desert all winter, internet is almost none existent. LOL
I have been out in the desert all winter, internet is almost none existent. LOL
Apr 15, 2015 23:06:45 #
Shakey wrote:
A while back I was in Malaga Cathedral, Spain, taking photographs, The image here has some verticals and horizontals that need correcting - simple enough, right? Well, not exactly because a few buddies and I have had fun arguing over what needs correcting and what does not. The guy was included to give a sense of scale.
Now it's your turn - have at it in any way you choose.
Have fun.
Now it's your turn - have at it in any way you choose.
Have fun.
Here is my feeble attempt
Apr 16, 2015 04:53:04 #
Bill Houghton wrote:
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Yep, I see you have the same problem with leaning pillars - or maybe I need new glasses. Thanks Bill.
Apr 16, 2015 04:55:32 #
artar wrote:
Here is my feeble attempt
What is it with those leaning pillars. Is it an illusion?
Thanks for your shot, artar.
Apr 16, 2015 08:50:44 #
Shakey I think it might be a little of both, you were off center about 6 to 8 feet or 2 meters by my estimation, the camera was on about a two degree angle counter clockwise. Not that i normally would have effected that much, but with those two structures in the center 1. the pew and 2. the alter. it sets the alter off center of pew making a visual para-dine that sets every else looking a little crooked so to say.
Apr 16, 2015 09:15:10 #
Apr 16, 2015 10:10:14 #
Bill Houghton wrote:
Shakey I think it might be a little of both, you were off center about 6 to 8 feet or 2 meters by my estimation, the camera was on about a two degree angle counter clockwise. Not that i normally would have effected that much, but with those two structures in the center 1. the pew and 2. the alter. it sets the alter off center of pew making a visual para-dine that sets every else looking a little crooked so to say.
Bill, you could be right. No tripods or monopods are allowed in the cathedral and hand-held is not so steady, in my case, in the dim light, which means anything could appear crooked. :roll:
Apr 16, 2015 10:13:20 #
Bob1190 wrote:
Straightened, and tweaked yellow and red saturation. CS6
Nice job, Bob. I see the guy went for a stroll in your altered image. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Apr 16, 2015 11:04:17 #
rborud
Loc: Minnesota
Shakey wrote:
A while back I was in Malaga Cathedral, Spain, taking photographs, The image here has some verticals and horizontals that need correcting - simple enough, right? Well, not exactly because a few buddies and I have had fun arguing over what needs correcting and what does not. The guy was included to give a sense of scale.
Now it's your turn - have at it in any way you choose.
Have fun.
Now it's your turn - have at it in any way you choose.
Have fun.
Shakey
Another player in this game of balances!!!
RBorud
Apr 16, 2015 11:29:00 #
Apr 16, 2015 11:50:40 #
Shakey,
A general rule of thumb goes a long way. Those elements that should naturally look vertical and horizontal should be corrupted in PP. It is all in the eye of the beholder; if an element in a picture should be horizontally level it needs to be corrected. If you have corners of a building that lean in toward the center they need to be corrected. What matters is the perception a viewer has upon first looking at the picture.
In you Cathedral picture the bottom horizontal elements need to be level with the bottom frame of the picture. The vertical pillars need to be vertical, and allowed to curve at the top to allow for depth perception.
It is okay for the pillars to show perspective as they narrow from bottom to top, that is the way the Mason built them.
Michael G
A general rule of thumb goes a long way. Those elements that should naturally look vertical and horizontal should be corrupted in PP. It is all in the eye of the beholder; if an element in a picture should be horizontally level it needs to be corrected. If you have corners of a building that lean in toward the center they need to be corrected. What matters is the perception a viewer has upon first looking at the picture.
In you Cathedral picture the bottom horizontal elements need to be level with the bottom frame of the picture. The vertical pillars need to be vertical, and allowed to curve at the top to allow for depth perception.
It is okay for the pillars to show perspective as they narrow from bottom to top, that is the way the Mason built them.
Michael G
Apr 16, 2015 12:12:20 #
Looking at the pillars at the edges of the frame, to my eye there is lens distortion there that needs correcting. Looking at some of the other posts, some have corrected and some haven't. The give-away is the curve in the pillars, especially at the top. It's hard to gauge how much lens correcting is needed because I suspect that the edges of the pillars do actually have a small amount of curvature at the top (but not enough to account for what we see in the pillars at the edges of the frame).
Rather than rotating to correct the squint pews, I used the Horizontal slider in Lightroom. Looking at the verticals close to the centre of the frame, they look OK. I think the squint pews are a perspective problem and not a rotation problem.
Where the vertical convergence is concerned, to my eye the posts that have gone for a totally vertical look don't seem right to my eye. I deliberately left a small amount of convergence which keeps my eye happy. I just need to resist the temptation to obsessively check the pillars using the edge of the frame as a guide. I deliberately made the left and right edge areas of the frame less eye-catching by darkening and softening, so that the eye would be less inclined to linger in that area.
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Rather than rotating to correct the squint pews, I used the Horizontal slider in Lightroom. Looking at the verticals close to the centre of the frame, they look OK. I think the squint pews are a perspective problem and not a rotation problem.
Where the vertical convergence is concerned, to my eye the posts that have gone for a totally vertical look don't seem right to my eye. I deliberately left a small amount of convergence which keeps my eye happy. I just need to resist the temptation to obsessively check the pillars using the edge of the frame as a guide. I deliberately made the left and right edge areas of the frame less eye-catching by darkening and softening, so that the eye would be less inclined to linger in that area.
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