Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

This is a section of fence surrounding a cemetery. It's out in the country all by itself, not a town within 5 miles of it. So here it is-have at it.

Cememery fence

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Great example of the concepts of:
Vanishing point,
Leading lines,
....AND...
the concept of NVD.
Using an average of "one to two times the diagonal" ( about one and 1/2 the diagonal)... The DOF appears infinite.
Get close...peep them pixels...and the far limit of the DOF appears not infinite but gets closer and closer to the close-viewing viewer.

Neat image.

Dave

Billyspad Loc: The Philippines

You have to look a few times at this but its strangely compelling.
Its like a fancy wall built in the middle of nowhere almost surreal in the way you have shot it.
Well spotted I think. This is a definite candidate for BW conversion maybe with an infra red look?
Ill leave others to bang on about leading lines etc but its got Billy's seal of approval.

Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

Hi Dave. Thanks for your comments. I appreciate any and all comments, good or bad. Now I'd like to digress and share a bit about my situation. I'm an old film guy; you know, meter the shadows & develop for the highlights. No big deal. Now comes digital, BIG DEAL. I still thought that all there was to it was make the photo look good on the screen, print a 16x20 and if it looked good from normal viewing distance, it was a good photo. You pixel peepers were a devout group of "strange people." Then the last few months I started looking at some of my "nice prints" and they didn't looks quite so good. So I joined this group. I found you 'strange people" made much nicer prints than I can. Soooo, here's the project guys. I gotta become a pixel peeper. Ya, I can got to 200x; but I have no clue what I'm looking for or seeing. So my request guys & gals, please keep commenting my photos and offer an explanation of how to actually do what needs to be done. If the explanation is not something you want to post for everybody, private message me if you're willing to help. I'd like lots of input from several members. I recognize the fact that if I copy another persons' procedure it might be plagiarism, but if I steal ideas from many people, I'm doing research! I'm on a research project. And Dave, just as an example, I've no clue what your comment of NVD stands for. Again, thanks for your help. Lynn PS I'm a guy, not a gal.

Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

Thanks a lot Billy. I really appreciate you checking in. I trust you've seen my reply to Dave. Same request from you as Dave. I'm sure you've noticed that I don't offer comments on post processing technique, that's because I'm not that good at it yet. I can comment about portrait lighting and posing and film grain and that kind of stuff. Hey, I got my photograph degree from NYI back in the 1970's. I've read a lot about digital over the last 10 years but I missed the whole bit about pixel peeping and it looks like that's where the whole quality thing starts. So lets do it. Maybe you noticed, it took me about 2 days to get back to Dave; here's the story. It's been a weekend from hell. Imagine a family cat got into the medicine cabinet one night and managed to open a large bottle of castor oil and drank the whole bottle dry. Now imagine the owner putting the family kitty out the next morning; 10 minutes later she looks out the window and every cat in the neighborhood is in her back yard. Four are digging, 5 are covering, and 3 are scouting new territory. I'm that cat this weekend. Thanks again for you kind comments Billy. Lynn

Country's Mama Loc: Michigan

Ok first thing you have to do if you want it scrutinized is to check that little store original box when you up load it. Then we can view it full size. The thumbs here on UHH are notoriously poor.

Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

OK. Thanks a bunch! Now if the memory works, I'll do it. Lynn

Billyspad Loc: The Philippines

I had to smile with the cat and castor oil tale my man.
All I can say is I think my photography has improved 100% simply by posting here and taking on board the comments. Im still a hack but an improved hack!
Nothing wrong with copying people either. I had never really done BW conversion and blatantly copied our resident master Graham Smith. I now feel I can do a so so sort of job. So plagiarize at will.
A couple of us are big on PP not experts but use it a lot so it may help to know what PP program you use?
By the way I have no idea what NVD is either. Dave is a lovely guy and very knowledgeable just speaks in a foreign tongue at times lol.

Good day from a sunny and hot as hell Philippines

Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

TNX Billy. I download my card with a card reader into Lightroom 5. (From either an a7R or my pet Oly em-1)
I'll touch up exposure or WB and lens correction in LR. then I'm off to PS cc. I'm not a person who loves LR that much. I like the way it puts files where I want them and I like it's version of multi slides in ACR. That's it. From there I open into PS. Once I've got my beast in PS I'd like to use Topaz Adjust, Clarity, Detail, and B &W Effects. I'd also like to know when to brush on effects more thoughtfully. I've used NIK in the past and especially like their B&W program. I know that everything is possible in PS CC, but I won't live long enough to learn all that. Being a believer in conservation of energy, (lazy), these plug ins see to do a lot of this stuff quicker & easier than I could doing it all myself. So that's kind of my plan. I also do hereby take the oath to look more at 200% & see what's going on. I just need you folks to help me know what I'm lookin for and at. TNX AGN! Lynn

Billyspad Loc: The Philippines

If you have discovered what total crap LR is for serious editing can use layers and embrace plug ins your my sorta guy!!!! The rest is just practice and regular use to become familiar with it.

Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

TNX Billy. I feel the same way.

Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)

Hi, Lynn guy!
I hope I didn't somehow imply otherwise...I'd not wish to offend the other Lynn guys I know!
And to call me a pixel peeper? for shame. But forgivable, not knowing my strong adherence to the concept of NVD ( normal viewing distance) and my signature quote from Bruce Fraser, decrying the tendencies of inveterate pixel peepers. The basic point? If you can't perceive it at NVD, "it" ( noise, "halos", "softness") is of absolutely no significance re: image quality. the NVD is generally thought to be 1.5 to 2 times the diagonal dimension of the rectangular image. Viewing from a lesser distance approaches "pixel peeping" ...the practice of those who cannot find substantive reasons to fault an image (That usually prompts persistent howls of perturbation from the persistent pixel-peeping population!)
And as for pixel-peepers producing superior prints? Au contraire, mon ami; the pixel peepers typically commit the most common error in printing: they under-sharpen by pixel-peeping inspection of the display for "over-sharpening artifacts". Some low level of perceptible "over-sharpening" disappears in the lower dynamic range of the print compared with the DR of the display screen.
So don't misunderstand. I did, indeed, like your image.

Dave

Nightski

Hello Lynn. I find this a compelling subject, and you have created the vanishing point successfully. Let me ask you to consider this. How would this image look if you took an even more extreme perspective, not allowing anything to peek between the columns. I feel as though everything around these columns is a distraction from them. Just for fun crop the image on the left to the third column and then crop enough off the right so that the eye follows the columns directly to the tree at the end. Covert to black and white so that the colours do not distract from the lines and textures. It would also solve the problem of the messy grass near the structure and the over all weediness of the grass. This is a highly graphic image, and I feel it needs to be clean.

Lynn L Loc: Northern IL

Nightski, thanks a bunch. I've been reading your quotes at the bottom of your responses. If these are insights into your creative thought process, you are very gifted and free thinking. That's good. Your suggestions pertaining to my vanishing point are terrific. I'll be following each and every one of them over the next few days. From forming the image in my mind, I think your input will turn into a very strong image. (If I don't screw it up) Thanks for your help. A reply of this much insight required a lot of your time. I appreciate that. Oh ya, you probably noticed my comment I'm a guy, not a gal. And I promise to, "play nice in the sand box." I'm an old guy. I still lift weights 5 or 6 days a week and shoot action pistol matches 2 to 3 time a month. And usually, but not always, I beat kids a third to two thirds my age. So you can say anything you want to me & I can handle it. I really appreciate this group & want to learn from it. I like people who have the guts to call it like it is; even if I don't agree. So, now you know a bit more of my story. Thanks for listening. You folks are doing a super job overseeing this group.

Nightski

Welcome to the Photo Critique Section, Lynn. I take a 7 mile hike around a lake every Sunday with my 25 lbs of gear, and it's sad to say I can hike the pants off most 20 year olds. I totally get that keeping fit thing.

I have an uncle named Lynn.