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Apr 7, 2015 20:15:52   #
greg vescuso Loc: Ozark,Mo.
 
This is just a Chapel they built here in Branson Mo. at
The Top of the Rock golf course for fairy tale weddings. I went down the other day to see it because it looked so beautiful on the internet. So here is a shot of the outside and inside. Maybe someday I will be a good enough wedding photographer to shoot a wedding here.


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Apr 8, 2015 05:30:05   #
Beercat Loc: Central Coast of California
 
Greg ............

Very nice and could even be better with a few tweaks but you didn't ask for critique so I'll hold my tongue but it caught my attention which is the most important thing.

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Apr 8, 2015 07:17:07   #
greg vescuso Loc: Ozark,Mo.
 
Beercat wrote:
Greg ............

Very nice and could even be better with a few tweaks but you didn't ask for critique so I'll hold my tongue but it caught my attention which is the most important thing.


I thought I would share these but by all means go ahead and critique these shots they do need a lot of improving on. I think both of them are 5 different exposures and then I ran them thru the HDR in photoshop because I wanted to be able to show the window in the chapel looking out to the lake. I don't do HDR work very often so there is a lot to be improved on there.

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Apr 8, 2015 12:27:11   #
Beercat Loc: Central Coast of California
 
On the top photo ........

I would of gone a bit more to the left and then change my elevation, gotten closer to the ground and the cropped off the bottom a bit. This would of done 2 things.

1. The walkway would of directed a bit better to the entrance of the church as your leading line.

2. It would of made the horizon on the 1/3's line and the sun at the intersection on the 1/3's. The front of the church would of still been on the 1/3's.

I really like the picture so don't get me wrong when I give a few pointers. Heck, I could of very well snapped the same composition and then in PP say to myself, "darn, which I would of changed my snap location". I do that often but I'm getting better at seeing the best composition, the best advise I can give is the walk the area your thinking of snapping from, changing your perspective a bit can help pin point the exact location that best brings out the most.

On the second snap ..........

Your DOF is a bit shallow, I would of gone to around F/13 and a longer exposure time. I know, this can be tough when there are people. In this case your snapping 5 shots off all at 1/5 of a second, it's hard to not have some blur for the people. As the church and the view are the subject I probably would of waited for the people to leave and then snapped away.

The picture also seems 'over cooked'. I always look at the before and after, side by side if I can. I look at the enhanced picture and once I notice the 'painted' look I back off the slider which is typically your contrast, clarity and sharpness to make it look more 'real' and not 'over cooked.

I also notice the walls seem to bend in toward the bottom. This is caused by the perspective of the camera angle. Yes you can correct to some degree in PP but I'm getting better at getting in right in the camera. The way to do that is to look at the position of your lens, it should be a level as possible. If you move your camera angle up and down you can see the walls move in and out top to bottom. Make then straight in the camera view finder. You might need to zoom out a bit more to get the whole church in the frame and my guess you already were as wide as you could go. Maybe it's tome for a 10mm - 17mm lens for occasions like this. Anyway to pull back to get the whole church in the frame while keeping you walls straight, then crop to your liking in PP.

OK, I said enough .......... I need to remind myself it wasn't long ago I would of done it like you did, I'm just a few steps ahead of you ;)

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Apr 9, 2015 07:41:46   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
Beercat wrote:
On the top photo ........

I would of gone a bit more to the left and then change my elevation, gotten closer to the ground and the cropped off the bottom a bit. This would of done 2 things.

1. The walkway would of directed a bit better to the entrance of the church as your leading line.

2. It would of made the horizon on the 1/3's line and the sun at the intersection on the 1/3's. The front of the church would of still been on the 1/3's.

I really like the picture so don't get me wrong when I give a few pointers. Heck, I could of very well snapped the same composition and then in PP say to myself, "darn, which I would of changed my snap location". I do that often but I'm getting better at seeing the best composition, the best advise I can give is the walk the area your thinking of snapping from, changing your perspective a bit can help pin point the exact location that best brings out the most.

On the second snap ..........

Your DOF is a bit shallow, I would of gone to around F/13 and a longer exposure time. I know, this can be tough when there are people. In this case your snapping 5 shots off all at 1/5 of a second, it's hard to not have some blur for the people. As the church and the view are the subject I probably would of waited for the people to leave and then snapped away.

The picture also seems 'over cooked'. I always look at the before and after, side by side if I can. I look at the enhanced picture and once I notice the 'painted' look I back off the slider which is typically your contrast, clarity and sharpness to make it look more 'real' and not 'over cooked.

I also notice the walls seem to bend in toward the bottom. This is caused by the perspective of the camera angle. Yes you can correct to some degree in PP but I'm getting better at getting in right in the camera. The way to do that is to look at the position of your lens, it should be a level as possible. If you move your camera angle up and down you can see the walls move in and out top to bottom. Make then straight in the camera view finder. You might need to zoom out a bit more to get the whole church in the frame and my guess you already were as wide as you could go. Maybe it's tome for a 10mm - 17mm lens for occasions like this. Anyway to pull back to get the whole church in the frame while keeping you walls straight, then crop to your liking in PP.

OK, I said enough .......... I need to remind myself it wasn't long ago I would of done it like you did, I'm just a few steps ahead of you ;)
On the top photo ........ br br I would of gone ... (show quote)



Great comments. It seems that you have developed a means of slowing down your composition thoughts and see the image in its final form. I am still thinking too fast. First, I truly enjoyed the images. It is truly a fairy tale chapel. Second, when I focused on that huge open scenic window, my thoughts went to "backlight wedding party" and I hope they allow lighting during the ceremony. An example of thinking to fast. Need to slow down.

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Apr 9, 2015 11:12:27   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Beercat wrote:
On the top photo ........

I would of gone a bit more to the left and then change my elevation, gotten closer to the ground and the cropped off the bottom a bit. This would of done 2 things.

1. The walkway would of directed a bit better to the entrance of the church as your leading line.

2. It would of made the horizon on the 1/3's line and the sun at the intersection on the 1/3's. The front of the church would of still been on the 1/3's.

I really like the picture so don't get me wrong when I give a few pointers. Heck, I could of very well snapped the same composition and then in PP say to myself, "darn, which I would of changed my snap location". I do that often but I'm getting better at seeing the best composition, the best advise I can give is the walk the area your thinking of snapping from, changing your perspective a bit can help pin point the exact location that best brings out the most.

On the second snap ..........

Your DOF is a bit shallow, I would of gone to around F/13 and a longer exposure time. I know, this can be tough when there are people. In this case your snapping 5 shots off all at 1/5 of a second, it's hard to not have some blur for the people. As the church and the view are the subject I probably would of waited for the people to leave and then snapped away.

The picture also seems 'over cooked'. I always look at the before and after, side by side if I can. I look at the enhanced picture and once I notice the 'painted' look I back off the slider which is typically your contrast, clarity and sharpness to make it look more 'real' and not 'over cooked.

I also notice the walls seem to bend in toward the bottom. This is caused by the perspective of the camera angle. Yes you can correct to some degree in PP but I'm getting better at getting in right in the camera. The way to do that is to look at the position of your lens, it should be a level as possible. If you move your camera angle up and down you can see the walls move in and out top to bottom. Make then straight in the camera view finder. You might need to zoom out a bit more to get the whole church in the frame and my guess you already were as wide as you could go. Maybe it's tome for a 10mm - 17mm lens for occasions like this. Anyway to pull back to get the whole church in the frame while keeping you walls straight, then crop to your liking in PP.

OK, I said enough .......... I need to remind myself it wasn't long ago I would of done it like you did, I'm just a few steps ahead of you ;)
On the top photo ........ br br I would of gone ... (show quote)


very thoughtful and concise reply.

My thought to add is that while I do tend to love "overcooked" HDR, it really doesn't work well in wedding settings. I might like the inside of the church in another context, but since we are in the wedding photography section, that will be the point of view that I'm taking.

It really does look like an outstanding place to do weddings, but like some I ran into when on a working vacation in Pigeon Forge, they probably have a staff photographer, and probably won't let ANYONE even carry a camera on their property. My experience was that the Bride and Groom never checked, and I got a free paid vacation without having to take any photos. Nice for me, anyway. I was really upset at the time, then thought I might give at least part of the money back, but in the end, I stuck to my guns. My contract clearly states that it is their responsibility to check to see if I'm allowed to photograph somewhere. Got a few fun shots of them when not actually at the ceremony, but all in all, it was more a sightseeing trip for me.

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Apr 9, 2015 12:26:06   #
Beercat Loc: Central Coast of California
 
bkyser wrote:
very thoughtful and concise reply.

My thought to add is that while I do tend to love "overcooked" HDR, it really doesn't work well in wedding settings. I might like the inside of the church in another context, but since we are in the wedding photography section, that will be the point of view that I'm taking.

It really does look like an outstanding place to do weddings, but like some I ran into when on a working vacation in Pigeon Forge, they probably have a staff photographer, and probably won't let ANYONE even carry a camera on their property. My experience was that the Bride and Groom never checked, and I got a free paid vacation without having to take any photos. Nice for me, anyway. I was really upset at the time, then thought I might give at least part of the money back, but in the end, I stuck to my guns. My contract clearly states that it is their responsibility to check to see if I'm allowed to photograph somewhere. Got a few fun shots of them when not actually at the ceremony, but all in all, it was more a sightseeing trip for me.
very thoughtful and concise reply. br br My thoug... (show quote)


HDR does enter into the equation for weddings IMO, well at least for me. When I snap an HDR months before the wedding and send it to the B&G they can use it for wedding invitations, a teaser to send out to friends and relatives .... plus I can include it in the final gallery. I would agree HDR isn't something I would do during the ceremony day, just can't be done easily with so many people walking around.

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