lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

[quote=WereWolf1967]I hate to rain on your parade But, All those supposed Obama figures are so BOGUS that it's hilarious. His unemployment figures do not include those that have given up looking for the non-existent jobs HE supposedly created. Another bogus fact is HOW the labor department compiles full time work. If you have 2 pitiful part time jobs, that's full employment. Any figures coming out of the current administration are EXTREMELY suspect. [First, all of your points apply to all administrations, including Reagan, 42 and 43, so your remark is irrelevant. Second please provide actual facts for your assertion that the figures are suspect, not 13 year old girl feelings.]

I get out in the real world on a daily basis, dealing with Mr. O's economic recovery in the industrial sector. NEWS FLASH, there is almost NO economic recovery. Are WE better off under OBAMA? Heck No!!! [I am also in the real world and also the world of logic and reason and I see a recovery going on; plus the data prove that the current recovery is picking up steam. You can cry all you want but the facts are the facts. Re: your point about no one being better off, ask the millions of people who have jobs (and healthcare) now who lost them under dubya.]

Do we owe more to other governments financing our corrupt cronie, Good Ole Boy buddies under Big O, heck yes! [Wrong, about 1/3 of our debt is owned by foriegn governments, a percentage that hasn't changed in many years (Factcheck.org)]

Every time I travel to Ohio or Michigan and look at the empty parking lots at formerly productive manufacturing plants it brings a tear to my eyes and more hatred into my heart for the BOZO in the White House as well as all of his crooked, inept BOZO Czars & cabinet members such as the current Secretary of State, John Kerry. [Wrong, the loss of manufacturing jobs has been going on for decades and did not begin nor accelerate under Obama. BTW, please clarify what Kerry has to do with the loss of manufacturing jobs]

Just wanting facts to be wrong doesn't make them so. But that's typical behavior for most republicans.

Isn't it funny how you people never cite any facts to back up your feelings?

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

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I'm not wrong AND THOSE are the facts, come out from beneath that rock that you live under.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

You don't seem to understand the difference between anecdotal assertion and facts. Simply observing things from your very limited point of view and then generalizing is an anecdotal assertion, not a fact. Facts are data and quatitative evidence gathered in an unbiased manner. This confusion, whether intentional or not, is the problem with many republicans. They seem to believe things very strongly and then feel that this is enough of a basis to draw conclusions and then make policy (that's how diasterous waers are started and moronic economic policy is implemented). I cite hard data and you cite mushy feelings. In a court of law data always trumps belief no matter how strongly the belief is felt, and so it should be in real life.

So again I ask you to provide hard data and quatitative evidence to support your, thus far, baseless assertions.

tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada

That theory really worked ,now didn't it. If I remember right it didn't trickle down to far.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

Tricke down economics, to paraphrase--and correct--James Inhofe, is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

NewGuy

Are you trying to tell us that hotel operator's are financing the Greet bailout?

tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada

Yeah ,I was working in N.E. for a big company with work on the books for at least 21/2 years at the beginning of 89 and by the spring we were down to about 9 months work with not even half the crew. Contracts were being dropped like hot potatoes.

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

You are assuming that I am a Republican. You know what happens when you assume don't you?

Actually, in a court of law truth is meaningless. Especially in our flawed system. I hate to break it to you but your hard data is so corrupted and flawed it's pitiful. Currently our entire congressional and political system is so twisted and corrupt given enough time it will implode on its own.

The only reason that bog O hasn't been impeached yet is the alternative. I firmly believe that is why Uncle Joe was chosen as a running mate. Just look at his stellar political and job record. I rest my case.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

Again, aside from your unsubstantiated assertion, where is your evidence thaat the calulation has changed under Obama?

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

All you need to do is look in the press archives for the facts and figures.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

I present facts from official sources and you respond with name calling. Typical for many republicans, who don't seem to have the capacity for finding and analyzing facts. Very sad.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

So, provide some citations to back up your claim. All you are doing is repeating unsubstantiated assertions. You made the assertion the burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

First, I didn't say anything about truth. I said facts. Second, I present facts from official sources and all you can do is say that they are corrupted, flawed and pitiful. Again, no evidence, no facts just baseless feelings. Third, the only reason why Obama hasn't been impeached is that he hasn't committed high crimes, not because of his VP.

You are correct that I assumed you are a republican. But I bet you didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN

Of that you can be certain.

I am not easily fooled by a suave, debonair line of BS. I've seen too many pretty boys just like him. The day he leaves office will be the beginning of a hard recovery for our country. It's pitiful that the first kind of black president will go down in history as the biggest F.U. in history. That's not an opinion, it's a fact that will be recognized by historians.

lfleischer1 Loc: Garrison, NY

You are still just spewing feelings, not facts. You have not contradicted one of my citations. Not one. You have just repeated baseless feelings, name calling and unsubstantiated assertions. That is the typical behavior of someone who knows he has lost the argument but doesn't want to admit it.