So nice that Obama vetoed that dangerous, dangerous pipeline! GALENA, Ill. -- At least eight railcars derailed this afternoon south of Galena, sparking a massive fire and smoke that...

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

GALENA, Ill. -- At least eight railcars derailed this afternoon south of Galena, sparking a massive fire and smoke that can be seen for miles.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Cykdelic wrote:

GALENA, Ill. -- At least eight railcars derailed this afternoon south of Galena, sparking a massive fire and smoke that can be seen for miles.

sure been lot of derails last 2 months... more likely more of this...

canadian train sabotage

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/world/americas/canada-runaway-train/

guess you want to have to pay for clean up of xl spills... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

How many folks have taken the time to investigate pipeline oil spills? I spent a little time researching this issue and there are some surprises on both sides of the argument that may be of interest to people concerned enough to comment intelligently. Not looking for an argument, just encouraging people to educate themselves.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

DaveO wrote:

How many folks have taken the time to investigate pipeline oil spills? I spent a little time researching this issue and there are some surprises on both sides of the argument that may be of interest to people concerned enough to comment intelligently. Not looking for an argument, just encouraging people to educate themselves.

had two in last month...

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

DaveO wrote:

How many folks have taken the time to investigate pipeline oil spills? I spent a little time researching this issue and there are some surprises on both sides of the argument that may be of interest to people concerned enough to comment intelligently. Not looking for an argument, just encouraging people to educate themselves.

All the stats say the same......pipelines are much safer, period.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Cykdelic wrote:

All the stats say the same......pipelines are much safer, period.

what happened to all that holler'n for jobs you been doin. when pipline is done. 35 jobs will be created..

trains 1000's of jobs. have to start making double walled cars. no comprison to jobs.LOL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BUT AS USUAL REPUKED ARE NOT FOR JOB CREATION... :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD:

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

dirtpusher wrote:

had two in last month...

Depending on various sources, it's hard to track the exact number of pipeline spills due to the reporting requirements, private land,non-compliance,etc.

An EPA study of the 20 year period ending in 2002 showed approximately 43,000 incidents covering over 300 million gallons. Incidents and quantities are significantly decreasing.

Many studies by various sources to bias "facts" for particular venues.

Pipeline quantities far,far out number those of rail. --By millions of gallons. Anyway, I thought it interesting to try to find some t***hs and have some ideas regarding the issue.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

DaveO wrote:

Depending on various sources, it's hard to track t... (show quote)

that is interesting :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Cykdelic wrote:

All the stats say the same......pipelines are much safer, period.

I didn't realize that the pipeline decision was based solely on safety of workers; but also included the possible environmental impact. I'm in favor of protecting life; that means that I am also concerned about the carcinogens being dumped in to aquifers or anywhere else that also impairs life. So, yes, safer for the workers, surely not safer for the public, wildlife and the ecological system.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

double.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

dirtpusher wrote:

that is interesting :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I did not mean to imply all of those spills were from pipelines. Anyone who actually has the time or inclination can get the breakdown from EPA reports that contain the various spills by shipping method, commodity and geographics. Crude oil is the worst.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

dirtpusher wrote:

what happened to all that holler'n for jobs you been doin. when pipline is done. 35 jobs will be created..

trains 1000's of jobs. have to start making double walled cars. no comprison to jobs.LOL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BUT AS USUAL REPUKED ARE NOT FOR JOB CREATION... :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD:

Again, ha gotta learn to read, and something different than Ma Jones. 42000 jobs to build it, about 100-500 permanent, and buuuuucko tax dollars.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Cykdelic wrote:

Again, ha gotta learn to read, and something different than Ma Jones. 42000 jobs to build it, about 100-500 permanent, and buuuuucko tax dollars.

There's another point that can easily be researched without much effort. Again, watch your sources. :)

MontanaTrace

Not that long ago an oil train collision burned half a town and k**led 47 locals.

All across America and Canada mile long oil trains roll through little towns, along rivers and lakes.

Where I live, it's one block from the school to the tracks. We fear there will be a day when our teachers and children run screaming from the building, covered in burning oil.

Pipes are not perfect but they are much safer than oil tanker trains.

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/29/the_infrastructure_isnt_there_why_shipping_bakken_crude_oil_by_rail_is_a_disaster_in_the_making_partner/

https://www.google.com/search?q=oil+train+vs+pipeline&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

MontanaTrace wrote:

Not that long ago an oil train collision burned ha... (show quote)

If you have been following this thread, you can google a lot of different components if you're really interested in finding out how this issue could be best served. You have identified one concern, but perhaps there are more to be considered.

Also, at the end of the day, this pipeline oil would have been on the world market at world market prices to any buyer. Possibly the biggest benefactor would be the refineries and peripheral businesses, not John Q Public. Oh,yeah, I left out Canada. :)