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Feb 27, 2015 19:32:01   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Gene51 wrote:
A company cannot afford to have a lot of customers like you. No one to my knowledge is trapped in a cloud. And there are over 1000 new features and enhancements, in the three upgraded versions since CS6. I would say, looking at it from a different perspective, that you are the trapped one - using 4 yr old software hoping that support continues.

Adobe unquestionably has the best software out there - so many pros, graphic arts departments, schools and academics and amateurs use it. Luckily they help keep the revenue flowing.

The 3 yr upgrade cycle I suppose made sense when Adobe upgraded their software every 2 yrs. You were never that far behind - but in the two years since CC, Photoshop has undergone two upgrades, and one major rewrite.

Hey, I get it - you just don't want to spend the money, and you could care less if the company that writes the software that you use goes belly up. Thank god there are paying customers out there that support software publishers so they can continue to build and refine their software, as Adobe has.

Just one more point - I have only heard complaints about CC from those who haven't tried it. And I have yet to hear of anyone who has tried it, deciding to roll back to CS6 because they didn't think that CC2014 was worth it. If you have, I'd love to see a link. I will never understand this kind of logic.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:41:31   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Gene51 wrote:
A company cannot afford to have a lot of customers like you. No one to my knowledge is trapped in a cloud. And there are over 1000 new features and enhancements, in the three upgraded versions since CS6. I would say, looking at it from a different perspective, that you are the trapped one - using 4 yr old software hoping that support continues.

Adobe unquestionably has the best software out there - so many pros, graphic arts departments, schools and academics and amateurs use it. Luckily they help keep the revenue flowing.

The 3 yr upgrade cycle I suppose made sense when Adobe upgraded their software every 2 yrs. You were never that far behind - but in the two years since CC, Photoshop has undergone two upgrades, and one major rewrite.

Hey, I get it - you just don't want to spend the money, and you could care less if the company that writes the software that you use goes belly up. Thank god there are paying customers out there that support software publishers so they can continue to build and refine their software, as Adobe has.

Just one more point - I have only heard complaints about CC from those who haven't tried it. And I have yet to hear of anyone who has tried it, deciding to roll back to CS6 because they didn't think that CC2014 was worth it. If you have, I'd love to see a link. I will never understand this kind of logic.
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Your lack of understanding is why it works for people like you who can afford this. I would be willing to bet that there is not more than a handful of people on this site who have used 10% of the thousand new items you mention, let alone over 90% of the stuff Photoshop could do before.

This type of market is geared for those who have extra money or are using it as a write-off for their business. You are probably one of those. Most are not. They are left behind.

I am not against Adobe making a business decision to keep afloat. But it is a decision to make the software unavailable for many who already have versions on board.

I will agree they have a decent product, not necessarily the best (because there are other programs that do everything some photographers require just as well), but they got in early and are generating a good product. But that point is a non sequitur.

But to denigrate others who don't buy into the program isn't the right answer either. I say it is up to the individual to buy what suites his/her needs.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:01:59   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bozsik wrote:
Your lack of understanding is why it works for people like you who can afford this. I would be willing to bet that there is not more than a handful of people on this site who have used 10% of the thousand new items you mention, let alone over 90% of the stuff Photoshop could do before.

This type of market is geared for those who have extra money or are using it as a write-off for their business. You are probably one of those. Most are not. They are left behind.

I am not against Adobe making a business decision to keep afloat. But it is a decision to make the software unavailable for many who already have versions on board.

I will agree they have a decent product, not necessarily the best (because there are other programs that do everything some photographers require just as well), but they got in early and are generating a good product. But that point is a non sequitur.

But to denigrate others who don't buy into the program isn't the right answer either. I say it is up to the individual to buy what suites his/her needs.
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I speak from experience - I have three versions of PS loaded on my machine - There is absolutely no valid reason for me to use CS6 - it is clunky, slow, limited in stuff that I use in CC2014 that was not available in CS6, and I find that the editing experience is measurably better in the new software. Now, if you are going to make a valid point, then maybe you should try it out for yourself - don't take my word for it. BTW, if $10/mo is a deal breaker, hell, you can't even go to a movie for $10 these days. Really, it's like trying to convince the judge that you can't afford to pay a parking ticket. :)

Not trying to denigrate you, but it the rationale is a bit absurd. Especially since I'll bet you haven't even downloaded the free 30 day trial and try it out yourself.Again - no one - not my poor starving students, anyone here on UHH, or anywhere else - has tried it and hasn't decided it made sense.

BTW, some of the improvements are things that were done to the code to improve speed and stability, and anyone who uses it benefits from those changes. Adobe had the habit of releasing new features that weren't quite ready for prime time. That is pretty much a thing of the past - the stuff works as advertised. Side by side, the advantages are obvious. Trust me, I could care less about writing of $120 a year. its not going to make that much of a difference in my bottom line. But the things I can do faster and more efficiently, as well as the better quality product I can make that would have been harder and taken longer in the old software - well that has easy paid for itself over and over.

But if you are happy using antique software, who am I to argue with you - good luck with it.


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Feb 27, 2015 20:21:37   #
manderson Loc: Northeast Nebraska
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Looks like a year has come and gone. Adobe sent me a notice my CC subscription was coming to an end next month and would automatically renew, at the CURRENT 9.99 price for another year....

Can't complain at all.... no price increase. :)

Can't beat it with a stick. :)


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Don, I have a couple questions for you, maybe you can answer and maybe not. I have Photoshop CS6 and received an email about how they will not be supporting it anymore and I would need to go to CC for upgrades. I spent a lot of money on this program and now if I want upgrades or support I have to have a membership to the cloud. I'm assuming that my program will continue to work on my computer for the foreseeable future but I'm not sure how to get the cloud or if I even should. Any suggestions?

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Feb 27, 2015 20:38:32   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
manderson wrote:
Don, I have a couple questions for you, maybe you can answer and maybe not. I have Photoshop CS6 and received an email about how they will not be supporting it anymore and I would need to go to CC for upgrades. I spent a lot of money on this program and now if I want upgrades or support I have to have a membership to the cloud. I'm assuming that my program will continue to work on my computer for the foreseeable future but I'm not sure how to get the cloud or if I even should. Any suggestions?


The "cloud" is just the name, nothing is stored on the "cloud" unless you want it to.

By joining the Adobe Creative Cloud you would download the programs and install them on your computer. They all run on your computer just like your current software, the "cloud" portion is the license check, which happens roughly every month. As long as your account is paid the software continues to function.

The Photographers Package is Lightroom, Photoshop and Bridge (and a few other goodies)

Your old program would continue to work as normal, nothing about it communicates with the cloud.

Lightroom CC and Photoshop CC would need to check in with the cloud to confirm license validity to operate.

Once on the CC versions, they would get updates when they are released by Adobe and UPGRADES to new versions when released by Adobe.

There is an app that runs in the background and alerts you when an update/upgrade is available, the installation is pretty much automatic once you approve it.

Easy enough to get started with the free trials and/or jump right in.

I really see no downside. I have been on CC for a year now and just renewed for another year - the cost did not go up even a penny.

This should take you to the web site to get costs and plans. I have the photographers plan - Lightroom and Photoshop

http://creative.adobe.com/plans

Or go for a 30 day trial first

http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/buy/photography-segment.html

I would assume your old software would no longer get used, you would be running the latest version, Photoshop CC (2014) and newer versions as they come out.

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Feb 27, 2015 21:03:20   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Bozsik wrote:
... I would be willing to bet that there is not more than a handful of people on this site who have used 10% of the thousand new items you mention, let alone over 90% of the stuff Photoshop could do before.

I'm one of those who has probably not used more than 10% of the capabilities of Photoshop. I don't even really know most of what it can do. But what little I know how to use is really worth a couple cups of coffee per month. And it really isn't more expensive than that.

Photography doesn't contribute anything to my bottom line (except for the expansion that occurs when sitting in front of the computer for hours on end). I do it for my own enjoyment.

Bozsik wrote:
... I say it is up to the individual to buy what suites his/her needs. :thumbup:

Fully agree. :thumbup:

My "needs" include CC, now that I've tried it out and become used to the bells I've learned how to ring. If in the future my means drop so I have to consider whether to keep up with this tool, I'll have to deal with that issue at that time. For now I'm in the CC camp.

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Feb 28, 2015 08:12:22   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
As a retired CPA and CFP, it all boils down to the $$$$$. You spent how much on a camera and related equipment? The monthly fee for Adobe products with updates and support is to me a no brainer.

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Feb 28, 2015 08:16:38   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
collhart wrote:
As a retired CPA and CFP, it all boils down to the $$$$$. You spent how much on a camera and related equipment? The monthly fee for Adobe products with updates and support is to me a no brainer.


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Feb 28, 2015 14:57:40   #
manderson Loc: Northeast Nebraska
 
Dngallagher wrote:
The "cloud" is just the name, nothing is stored on the "cloud" unless you want it to.

By joining the Adobe Creative Cloud you would download the programs and install them on your computer. They all run on your computer just like your current software, the "cloud" portion is the license check, which happens roughly every month. As long as your account is paid the software continues to function.

The Photographers Package is Lightroom, Photoshop and Bridge (and a few other goodies)

Your old program would continue to work as normal, nothing about it communicates with the cloud.

Lightroom CC and Photoshop CC would need to check in with the cloud to confirm license validity to operate.

Once on the CC versions, they would get updates when they are released by Adobe and UPGRADES to new versions when released by Adobe.

There is an app that runs in the background and alerts you when an update/upgrade is available, the installation is pretty much automatic once you approve it.

Easy enough to get started with the free trials and/or jump right in.

I really see no downside. I have been on CC for a year now and just renewed for another year - the cost did not go up even a penny.

This should take you to the web site to get costs and plans. I have the photographers plan - Lightroom and Photoshop

http://creative.adobe.com/plans

Or go for a 30 day trial first

http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/buy/photography-segment.html

I would assume your old software would no longer get used, you would be running the latest version, Photoshop CC (2014) and newer versions as they come out.
The "cloud" is just the name, nothing is... (show quote)


Thanks for the information, that clarifies some of the mystery for me.

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Feb 28, 2015 15:25:54   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
manderson wrote:
Thanks for the information, that clarifies some of the mystery for me.


You are quite welcome - Glad it helped!


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Mar 1, 2015 08:02:48   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Gene51 wrote:
You might want to look at OnOne Perfect Photo Suite - it is FAST - at doing many of the things that are traditionally done in Photoshop - like layering and masking. The videos on their site are pretty convincing. I use it three ways - as a set of plugins to Lightroom, as a set of plugins to Photoshop, or as a stand-alone package (it reads raw files directly).


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