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Feb 18, 2015 22:09:51   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
John Lennox explains things so well, he is a brilliant man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc

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Feb 19, 2015 04:19:12   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Racmanaz wrote:
John Lennox explains things so well, he is a brilliant man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc
He does quite poorly when debating the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and of course Christopher(may he rest in peace) Hitchens.....IMO.....

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Feb 19, 2015 04:36:01   #
taffthetooth Loc: U.K
 
slocumeddie wrote:
He does quite poorly when debating the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and of course Christopher(may he rest in peace) Hitchens.....IMO.....


You have got to be joking, Lennox shows them just how shallow their thinking is. Even Hitchens admitted defeat in a debate and did not want to have another show of hands in their next meeting. And Harris, this the man who given a choice of getting rid of Rape or Religion, chose Religion, you are quite welcome to him.

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Feb 19, 2015 05:48:23   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
taffthetooth wrote:
You have got to be joking, Lennox shows them just how shallow their thinking is. Even Hitchens admitted defeat in a debate and did not want to have another show of hands in their next meeting. And Harris, this the man who given a choice of getting rid of Rape or Religion, chose Religion, you are quite welcome to him.
I am not familiar with the events you described. A link or source would help. I do like Lennox voice.....almost like a grandfather imparting wisdom to his progeny.

Reference Sam Harris position, history shows us that religion often results in rape(santioned, no less).....rape seldom leads to religion.....

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Feb 19, 2015 06:02:32   #
taffthetooth Loc: U.K
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB6BTb8Dinw a link to Hitchens
v Lennox. Atheists rape as well, so where does that take us?

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Feb 19, 2015 07:08:09   #
WNC Ralf Loc: Candler NC, in the mountains!
 
Glad to see that England also has it's share of goofy Christians.

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Feb 19, 2015 07:34:19   #
taffthetooth Loc: U.K
 
WNC Ralf wrote:
Glad to see that England also has it's share of goofy Christians.


Just like goofy non believers, so again, where does that get us?

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Feb 19, 2015 09:27:51   #
OldDoc Loc: New York
 
Well, there's another 6:35 of my life lost in nonsense. Lennox simply speaks big words that don't mean anything other than...actually, I'm not sure what they mean. He lays out a dichotomy of a universe that, in the beginning was composed of particles and energy, and these progressed to life; or a universe created by an all-powerful magician, and Lennox concludes that the latter explanation "makes sense". That's all you have to know about his views, to know that he has arrived at a conclusion non-scientifically, then is using scientific verbiage to try to justify his religious view.

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Feb 19, 2015 10:43:26   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
OldDoc wrote:
Well, there's another 6:35 of my life lost in nonsense. Lennox simply speaks big words that don't mean anything other than...actually, I'm not sure what they mean. He lays out a dichotomy of a universe that, in the beginning was composed of particles and energy, and these progressed to life; or a universe created by an all-powerful magician, and Lennox concludes that the latter explanation "makes sense". That's all you have to know about his views, to know that he has arrived at a conclusion non-scientifically, then is using scientific verbiage to try to justify his religious view.
Well, there's another 6:35 of my life lost in nons... (show quote)


Of course it's nonsense to you, you are blind to t***h and will not see it until you open your eyes. Lennox does very well in explaining evidence of Intelligent design, you just are not equipped to understand him. Talk about magic, this universe come into existence from nothing??? Ya that's sounds like magic to me.

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Feb 19, 2015 10:53:47   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Racmanaz wrote:
John Lennox explains things so well, he is a brilliant man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc

I hesitate to reply because the OP in his constant theme of intelligent design he ignores the basic underpinnings of all scientific research. I will sum it up in one phrase. Ignorance does not imply divinity. Explanation. Merely because we no not understand something does not mean that a god did it.

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Feb 19, 2015 11:10:16   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
boberic wrote:
I hesitate to reply because the OP in his constigoranceeme of intelligent design he ignores the basic underpinnings of all scientific research. I will sum it up in one phrase. Ignorance does not imply divinity. Explanation. Merely because we no not understand something does not mean that a god did it.


Ignorance does not imply that God does not exist as well, igorance does not discriminate. Many people are ignorant of the fact that there are millions of evidence of a designer, it's there for us to see yet it is ignored by many. contrary to what you think and say, there is an abundant evidence of intelligent design then there is of evolution neo Darwinian style.

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Feb 19, 2015 11:12:34   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
boberic wrote:
I hesitate to reply because the OP in his constant theme of intelligent design he ignores the basic underpinnings of all scientific research. I will sum it up in one phrase. Ignorance does not imply divinity. Explanation. Merely because we no not understand something does not mean that a god did it.


facts, just because you don't understand intelligent design does not mean it does not exist there's plenty of evidence of design from an intelligent agent you just choose to ignore it.... that is what I call ignorant.

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Feb 19, 2015 11:47:12   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Pastor Rac wrote:
facts, just because you don't understand intelligent design does not mean it does not exist there's plenty of evidence of design from an intelligent agent you just choose to ignore it.... that is what I call ignorant.
Pastor Rac wrote:
Of course it's nonsense to you, you are blind to t***h and will not see it until you open your eyes. Lennox does very well in explaining evidence of Intelligent design, you just are not equipped to understand him. Talk about magic, this universe come into existence from nothing??? Ya that's sounds like magic to me.
Pastor Rac wrote:
Ignorance does not imply that God does not exist as well, igorance does not discriminate. Many people are ignorant of the fact that there are millions of evidence of a designer, it's there for us to see yet it is ignored by many. contrary to what you think and say, there is an abundant evidence of intelligent design then there is of evolution neo Darwinian style.


Pastor Rac, would you lead us in joyful praise.....

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me.....

I once was lost, but now I'm found, was blind but now I see.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtteRD5bBNQ

If that won't bring 'em down the aisle, nothing will.........

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Feb 19, 2015 22:07:28   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Ignorance does not imply that God does not exist as well, igorance does not discriminate. Many people are ignorant of the fact that there are millions of evidence of a designer, it's there for us to see yet it is ignored by many. contrary to what you think and say, there is an abundant evidence of intelligent design then there is of evolution neo Darwinian style.

First- there is no scientific evidence that intelligent design by a supreme being exists. Intelligent design is a belief, not a scientific precept. There is no research using valid protocols to back up the validity of design by some power, whereas much research has been conducted that backs up evolutionary mechanisms. I will say no more on this issue as most folks don't know the first thing about how scientific inquiry works.

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Feb 19, 2015 22:34:59   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
boberic wrote:
First- there is no scientific evidence that intelligent design by a supreme being exists. Intelligent design is a belief, not a scientific precept. There is no research using valid protocols to back up the validity of design by some power, whereas much research has been conducted that backs up evolutionary mechanisms. I will say no more on this issue as most folks don't know the first thing about how scientific inquiry works.


There is plenty of evidence of Intelligent design all around us, even in materialism. There doesn't have to be scientific facts of Gods existence for Him to be true, but there is as I said plenty of evidence for intelligent design. You really think all these billions of not trillions of organisms are by accidental mutations? That's absurd. In order to have design, there must be an instructional body plan created by an intelligent mind..we see that in everyday life......all things that have invented must first have had to have a non material information code (blue print) that is then manifested in the material world as material products. You can NOT have design without a designer, you can not build an automobile without information knowledge, a computer MUST have a designer to even exist.
You are wrong, there is NO known mechanism for Neo Darwinian evolution at all, it does not exists no matter how much you want to believe in it. To think life can evolve out of non life material is magical thinking, life and intelligence exists because there is an Intelligent agent to bring it into existence. Nothing that is created can even be greater than that which created it. You are correct in saying science can not prove God Himself..He is invisible to the eye, it can neither disprove God Himself....but it sure can give evidence that an Intelligent designer must exist. The theory of Neo Darwinian evolution is very weak and will continue to get weaker as more real science gives evidence of design and contradicts Neo Darwinism.

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