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Feb 18, 2015 02:02:54   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
Unless you've changed the settings in the camera you are shooting in JPG.

JPG images are fine for most people and it's only when you need more that you might consider moving to RAW.

There are pros and cons to everything in life. S-

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Feb 18, 2015 02:15:10   #
graybeard
 
St3v3M wrote:


There are pros and cons to everything in life.


A Philosopher as well as a PHotographer. I have learned a few tidbits here tonite. There is nothing worse than a person who goes thru life without learning in the process. That's my piece of wisdom for the night.

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Feb 18, 2015 02:16:00   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
graybeard wrote:
A Philosopher as well as a PHotographer. I have learned a few tidbits here tonite. There is nothing worse than a person who goes thru life without learning in the process. That's my piece of wisdom for the night.

Learn something new everyday! S-

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Feb 18, 2015 05:43:23   #
blankmange Loc: down on the farm...
 
graybeard wrote:
I have shot over 1,000 pix so far, don't even know which one I used. I still haven't downloaded any of them.



not downloaded? aren't you curious as to how they look?

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Feb 18, 2015 06:33:54   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
graybeard wrote:
I have shot over 1,000 pix so far, don't even know which one I used. I still haven't downloaded any of them.


Unlike a roll of film, which can sit safely on a shelf for long periods before being developed, digital images can be lost in the blink of an eye by an electronic glitch. That card in your camera can fail at anytime. Unlikely, but it can happen. It is to your advantage to download and backup your photos to safeguard against loss. Do yourself a favor and find backup procedures that work for you. A semi-professional friend of mine got a bit lazy and lost 25,000 photos when his computer crashed. Some beautiful work gone forever.
BTW, photos most always look fine when reviewed on the camera's LCD screen. To really see what you have you need to download them to a computer.
Also, with your T3 you can not only shoot RAW or JPEG, but you can also shoot both at the same time. A RAW image normally takes at least twice as much storage space as a JPEG. Something to keep in mind if you are shooting RAW or RAW + JPEG on a small card.
I had the same 2 "kit" lenses when I had my T3i. They did a fine job. No need to be ashamed of them at all. As you know, it's all in how you use them.
Have fun!

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Feb 18, 2015 09:05:58   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
I know a lot has already been said about this question of "kit lenses". My take would be that it doesn't necessarily mean inferior image quality. So called kit lenses may not be built "like a tank" but that isn't an issue if you take care of your equipment. Kit lenses will not have the wider aperture capability but this isn't a big issue for most photography and other settings can compensate for that in many cases. Than goodness these lenses exist. Otherwise many of us would be financially shut out of this great hobby.

As others have stated, the skill developed by the photographer is the one element that should be of the highest possible quality in order to achieve outstanding photos.

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Feb 18, 2015 09:08:45   #
blankmange Loc: down on the farm...
 
the kit lenses that came with my K-50 are weather-resistant and are both outstanding....

the only difference between these two lenses and the same lens you would buy individually is that these do not have a steel mount and did not come with hoods or storage bags...

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Feb 18, 2015 10:03:05   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
graybeard wrote:
Say bro, I see you are Soo. My favorite RR. I have several frieght cars with the $00 logo on them. I have 2 Canon lenses, I guess both are "kit". A 18-55mm and a 55-250mm. But if Canon puts their own name on them I figure they can't be too bad.
Yeah, I grew up by the Soo Line tracks in Chicago. The theme of my H.O. layout is of the Soo Line, and of course, The Chicago & Northwestern. Oh, I had to throw in the Milwaukee Road and... But I digress.

All manufacturers make some good kit lenses, but there is a noticeable difference once you step up. Nikon's Nikor, Canon's L series, Sony & Carl Zeiss. Night & day difference between these and the kit lenses. My daughter uses the kit 18-55mm lens on her (mine) Sony and she is just fine with it. I tried to give her some lenses that were a step up, but she has no interest in them. He pictures are just as good as those taken with a $3,000.00 lens for what she does.

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Feb 18, 2015 10:33:51   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
graybeard wrote:
I see a lot of references to "Kit" lenses, often with an inference that they are in someway inferior. Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks


One example is that I have a camera modified to be able to capture IR. If I use the 18-55mm kit lens, the central portion of the image is much brighter (called a hot spot). If I use a better lens, there is no such problem.

This is just one example showing how a kit lens manufactured with some compromises doesn't match up to a better lens.

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Feb 18, 2015 11:11:55   #
Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX
 
Check out this article that I posted a while back on kit lenses. I did real well with mine and finally outgrew them. But they were great for learning on, kinda like training wheels. It may be all you ever need. Good luck and keep learning!

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-228609-1.html

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Feb 18, 2015 12:28:33   #
graybeard
 
blankmange wrote:
not downloaded? aren't you curious as to how they look?


I get an idea from the LCD. There is just so much learning to do I haven't had a chance to do any of the computer related stuff.

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Feb 18, 2015 12:38:32   #
blankmange Loc: down on the farm...
 
graybeard wrote:
I get an idea from the LCD. There is just so much learning to do I haven't had a chance to do any of the computer related stuff.


fair enough - but as stated above, one glitch and they are all gone...

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Feb 18, 2015 16:54:52   #
Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX
 
blankmange wrote:
fair enough - but as stated above, one glitch and they are all gone...


Also, the pros, among them Scott Kelby, are pretty emphatic that the LCD is a very poor representation of your image compared to what you'll see on your computer... It is based on the JPG the camera processed and not the RAW file.

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Feb 18, 2015 17:21:26   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
graybeard wrote:
I see a lot of references to "Kit" lenses, often with an inference that they are in someway inferior. Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks


Believe it or not, but the term "kit" lens is a marketer's invention. Photographers refer to their tool boxes as "kits". i.e.,a photographer carries in his "kit" his camera bodies and some of his lenses. A photographer rarely buys a "camera" in the sense that it has a body and a lens. So, when a photographer equips his first "kit" he needs a body and a lens. From that point on it is a matter of a lens or a body, but rarely both together. In the last year Canon has begun to bundle "L" lenses with certain bodies as "kit" lens, that's not a bad lens at all. It would seem that today's entry level buyers are more say than before and have some ideas of what they are getting into.

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Feb 19, 2015 05:40:20   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
graybeard wrote:
I have 40+ years in using 35mm film SLR's, and my wife recently gifted me with a digital Canon T3, along with 2 kit lenses, the 18-55 and the 55-250mm. I must say I was simply blown away, both for automatic functions and digital. I was even more impressed when I found I could use my old M42 lenses with a cheap adapter. I don't mind using them manually, that is what I am used to. Just love it all ! But one of the things that irritates me is the superiority complexes I see so much of (nothing new to me, seen it in film days too). I see it particularly in Nikon users and in some condescending attitudes (like with kit lenses). It's not the camera, its the photographer !
I have 40+ years in using 35mm film SLR's, and my ... (show quote)


Thank you Graybeard, good answer.

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