juicesqueezer Loc: Okeechobee, Florida

For those fast food employees striking for $15 an hour, let's do some math. At $15 an hour Johnny Fry-Boy would make $31,200 annually. An E1 (Private) in the military makes $18,378. An E5 (Sergeant) with 8 years of service only makes $35,067 annually. So you're telling me, McBurgerflipper, that you deserve as much as those kids getting shot at, deploying for months in hostile environments, and putting their collective asses on the line every day protecting your unsk**led butt!?

Here's the deal, Baconator, you are working in a job designed for a kid in high school who is learning how to work and earning enough for gas, and h*****g out with their equally goofy high school pals. If you have chosen this as your life long profession, you have failed. If you don't want minimum wage, don't have minimum sk**ls.

nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca

Same dumb argument.
Minimum wage used to be a living wage. Now all it is, is a bad joke.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

We should pay our military much more, on a par with other first world nations. It's only fair, the oligarchy asks so much of our troops.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

false logic...

davefales Loc: Virginia

Source?

juicesqueezer Loc: Okeechobee, Florida

They can't come up with a source, since it was never true. That's why, when I was in high school, the minimum wage was $1.25. I knew right then, if I was to live the American dream, I had to better myself, which I did. It's called finishing school and seeking higher employment. If you look like a billboard with all your tattoo's, earrings, colored hair, can't carry on a sentence, can't read, write, etc., what do you expect? $25 an hour????
The government came up with this minimum wage to at least allow workers who were at the lowest paying jobs to at least have a starting wage. There isn't anyone who really believed you could raise a family on this, including the government!

SBW

Something only someone with a false brain would say. Like yourself for example.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

davefales Loc: Virginia

The truly devious part of this issue is the fact that lots of union contracts have automatic escalation if the minimum wage increases. The effect ripples up to people making more than minimum wage.

Wonder why unions support a raise?

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

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Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Yes, let's do some math...but let's do some HONEST math. It's more informing.

E1, yes, makes $18,378, as you say. There is also the consideration of free health care, free room and board (sometimes housing allowance) 30 days vacation, weekends free, inexpensive life insurance, sick leave, and retirement, plus education benefits.


I remember many years ago, at Bolling AFB, the gym, sauna, inexpensive movies, (nearly-free beer; at 15 cents a glass, you could approach oblivion for a buck). [I didn't serve, I was a guest.]

Johnny Fry-Boy doesn't get 40 hours worktime, doesn't get healthcare, doesn't even get a regular schedule, doesn't get retirement(except SS), doesn't get room and board, or cheap life insurance.

He don get nothin'.

I leave to you in your quiet moments to decide whether you aren't very good at summaries or are just dishonest to make a point.

ALSO, if you wander into a burger joint and pay attention, these generally aren't kids trying to earn gas money. These are people trying to earn a (pathetic) living.

We can disagree on the benefits of minimus wage, but, do, let's be honest when we do it.

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

Nak Nak is looking up his butt for the source. Seems he is finding nothing but hot air. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

Since when has minimum wage, EVER been a living wage?. When I first got married in 1960, I had to work at quite few minimum Wage jobs.
None of them, I repeat none of them paid a living wage. And things were a lot cheaper then, but making $1.00 per hour and drawing about $37.00 of that!, just did not get it.

Now I am not for giving Johnny Burger Flipper $20 per hour, just because his much higher than mine ever was minimum wage job. Will not buy his bags of pot.

I went on to educate myself in a trade, and even then it was no piece of cake. The good old days were not as good, as some would have you to believe. But then again maybe my taste was for $500 stuff on a $250 salary. :)

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Union or not, if you have a sk**l or talent to earn, say, $10/hr. and minimum wage is $8, and then minimum wage goes to $10, too, there will be an incentive to raise your wage to, say, $12/hr.

Do you consider this a bad thing? I'm all for it.

And, don't let's get into that thing where raising the minimum wage will cost people their jobs. The only reason an employer hires minimum wage people is he needs the work done. If minimum wage goes up, he still needs the work done.

He's not hiring these people as a human gesture; he needs them, or he wouldn't hire them in the first place.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Well, old-timer, whether a burger-jockey buys a bag of pot with his wage, or invests it in Apple is his concern, not yours; he earned the money, it's up to him how he spends it You can buy your own pot. Or not.