Save As DNG???
Feb 14, 2015 22:39:26 #
I have seen a few threads stating that people download their RAW files, do some PP and then "Save As" a DNG. Please help me out here. A DNG is a proprietary RAW format developed by Adobe which includes all PP data changes internally instead of needing a sidecar file. To be fair, I have never seen a need to use a DNG format as ACR or LR has no problem reading files from any of my Canon cameras including my 10D. (yes you read that right) But that does not answer the question about the "Save As" that people are talking about. Why would you take one RAW format and "Save As" another RAW format and then export/save as a useable photo format, jpg or tif etc. If they want to use DNG format then why wouldn't they import the proprietary RAW format and convert to DNG in one step? Am I missing something here or is it a matter of the unwashed blundering their way through? Not looking to stir up a hornets nest, just want to understand the reasoning and make sure I am not missing out on some unknown method. :?:
Feb 15, 2015 07:28:09 #
big-guy wrote:
I have seen a few threads stating that people down... (show quote)
You have state your question much better than I. I await a eply as dircet as yours! 8-)
Feb 15, 2015 07:35:45 #
big-guy wrote:
I have seen a few threads stating that people down... (show quote)
DNG is not "proprietary" but an open file spec. Your camera's raw file is proprietary.
You don't edit a raw file and "save as" DNG, you "export to" DNG. It's a way of creating an edited, and possibly smaller version of the original file, and still be able to edit it as a raw file. Many people save a second copy as DNG on import. I, like yourself, am fine using the raw file to generate whatever I need, and haven't had a reason to export to DNG.
Feb 15, 2015 07:58:36 #
There really is no compelling reason to convert to DNG, except in my case, I have just done so. I have had Adobe Prime for several years and didn't realize until last week that if had an unlimited photo backup cloud option. Most of my photos are in Pentax raw proprietary .PEF format, which Adobe doesn't recognize as photos, so that if I had uploaded them to Amazon they would be considered just data files and would be in the 20 GB backup portion, which I would exceed quickly. So I converted them.
These are the raw camera formats that Adobe recognizes.
Nikon (NEF files) Nikon D1, Nikon D1X, Nikon D4, Nikon Coolpix A, Nikon E5700, Nikon AW1, Nikon D800, Nikon D50, Nikon D610
Canon (CR2 Files) Canon 5D, Canon 1D, Canon 1D MarkIIN, Canon Rebel SL1, Canon 60D, Canon 5D MarkIII, Canon 1D MarkIV
Sony (ARW files) Sony A7, Sony A7R, Sony A6000, Sony NEX-5T, Sony NEX-3N, Sony NEX-6
As well as Adobe DNG.
These are the raw camera formats that Adobe recognizes.
Nikon (NEF files) Nikon D1, Nikon D1X, Nikon D4, Nikon Coolpix A, Nikon E5700, Nikon AW1, Nikon D800, Nikon D50, Nikon D610
Canon (CR2 Files) Canon 5D, Canon 1D, Canon 1D MarkIIN, Canon Rebel SL1, Canon 60D, Canon 5D MarkIII, Canon 1D MarkIV
Sony (ARW files) Sony A7, Sony A7R, Sony A6000, Sony NEX-5T, Sony NEX-3N, Sony NEX-6
As well as Adobe DNG.
Feb 15, 2015 12:00:21 #
alandg46 wrote:
There really is no compelling reason to convert to... (show quote)
What is Adobe Prime? Or did you mean Amazon Prime?
Thanks!
Feb 15, 2015 13:12:35 #
alandg46 wrote:
...Most of my photos are in Pentax raw proprietary .PEF format, which Adobe doesn't recognize as photos...
FYI:
I have used .PEF since Adobi Elements 7.0 (old) without a problem. That was from my Pentax K20D and more modern Pentax cameras.
I've mainly been using Capture One Pro, a little bit of Paintshop, and they too have don't have problems with .PEF.
Feb 15, 2015 13:18:50 #
I shoot pentax raw dng but have no editor that lets me save them as dng's. I keep the originals but make copies to convert to tiff and jpeg.
Feb 15, 2015 13:24:17 #
moonhawk wrote:
What is Adobe Prime? Or did you mean Amazon Prime?
Thanks!
Thanks!
OOPS, Amazon Prime
Feb 15, 2015 13:42:46 #
big-guy wrote:
I have seen a few threads stating that people down... (show quote)
I might be wrong but the way I understood it DNG is a "standardised" raw file that other raw files can be converted into.
further confusing is the version of dng later versions of dng converter can open more formats but the version of dng needs tailoring to the version of the other adobe programs you are using.
As far as i've noticed the side car files are a series of edits maintained as xmp files alongside the dng file.
Some dng files I think contain more than just raw data and have things like lens correction profiles embedded as well.
in the open source world there is a program called ufraw which is a raw preprocessor which is used my a number of programs such as gimp rawtherapy lightzone darktable ect. its output is pretty much a tiff file which all these programs can open and process. UFRAW is pretty handy since its kept up to date all the programs that use it can open new types of raw files.
Please correct me if i have made any errors in my understanding.
Feb 15, 2015 17:23:54 #
Chefneil wrote:
I await a eply as dircet as yours! 8-)
I await a eply as dircet as yours! 8-)
Oh, this is rich. It's not 'reply' any more, only to be more grammatical woulddn't one "an eply."
Feb 15, 2015 17:29:30 #
My Fuji raw files (RAF) don't play well with Photoshop or some of the other editing programs I use.
I converted them to DNG files and there is not a problem anymore.
I converted them to DNG files and there is not a problem anymore.
Feb 15, 2015 17:29:47 #
alandg46 wrote:
These are the raw camera formats that Adobe recognizes.
Sony (ARW files) Sony A7, Sony A7R, Sony A6000, Sony NEX-5T, Sony NEX-3N, Sony NEX-6
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These are the raw camera formats that Adobe recognizes.
Sony (ARW files) Sony A7, Sony A7R, Sony A6000, Sony NEX-5T, Sony NEX-3N, Sony NEX-6
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The first time I tried to open a Sony ARW file I got an error panel. When I looked in the Photoshop Plug-In folder I did not find the Adobe Raw plug-in. Anyone know where I get it. I am old fashioned and doing PS CS3 & 4, which don't need the monthly lease fee.
Feb 15, 2015 18:05:23 #
... another good thing with Pentax cameras is that you can automatically save raw files as either a .PEF file or a .dng file in addition to RAW plus. It's your choice.
(Can you tell I like Pentax-Ricoh. )
(Can you tell I like Pentax-Ricoh. )
Feb 15, 2015 19:21:06 #
John_F wrote:
Oh, this is rich. It's not 'reply' any more, only to be more grammatical woulddn't one "an eply."
Picky, pikky
Feb 17, 2015 13:58:37 #
John, if you're going to poke fun at a post for grammar then it might be a good idea to make sure your post is beyond error. It seems that as well as grammar you also have some spelling issues. Just saying...
John_F wrote:
Oh, this is rich. It's not 'reply' any more, only to be more grammatical woulddn't one "an eply."
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