Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

"Geologists long rejected the notion that cataclysmic flood had ever occurred—until one of them found proof of a Noah-like catastrophe in the wildly eroded river valleys of Washington State."- By David R. Montgomery

Now this discovery is very interesting and just proves that a massive catastrophic flood does cause large deep canyons in weeks or months. It disproves what most said about how deep canyons like the Grand Canyon can ONLY be done by flowing rivers over millions of years. Large canyons can and have be created by large amounts of water as a catastrophic flood as in Noahs day. Now I am not saying that this proves Noahs flood, but it does give it a strong possibility. One day they will come to grips and realize Noahs flood DID happen!!!!

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-biblical-type-floods-real-absolutely-enormous

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

We(Earth) have had several Ice Ages. When warming occurred, of course there were floods.

Noah's flood is said to have covered the whole earth(and not that long ago).

There is no geological evidence that the event occurred..... :-)

Jade Warrior Loc: Sydney, Australia

Don't Christians believe that Noah's Flood was a result of mankinds' activities?
Is it too much of a call to propose that if Christians believe that, then they should have no problem accepting that the current phase of c*****e c****e is also a result of the activities of mankind?

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Are you saying that C*****e c****e is the result of mankind's sin and is God's judgment? If we but repent and change our wicked ways, and seek God with all our hearts, God will bless us and remove this cursed C*****e C****e thingy? Do you think that that will work?

OldDoc Loc: New York

No, this is a different type of flood than the Noahical flood. The floods referred to in the article are the result of rupture of glacial dams, releasing tidal waves of water. The biblical flood resulted from rainfall flooding the entire earth. If you calculate the energy that would be released from such an amount of rain, it is mathematically impossible to have happened, notwithstanding the lack of evidence that it did.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

there are a few things that are wrong in your mathematical analysis, I will address them as soon as I get on a computer later on tonight

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

You are delusional.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

Oh no ! ! !.....OldDoc.....Rac's gonna "correct" your math.....WATCH OUT ! ! !

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Lol it's not his math

HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO

Brian Williams told me that c*****e c****e is real....and I believe him...both he and Hillary (the 1st woman in space) agreed.... :)

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

The purpose of the post as I said in the introduction was not to prove that this was evidence of Noahs flood, it was to give strong examples of how catastrophic floods does cause deep and wide canyons and not necessary for slow moving rivers or steams. I would venture to say that no deep canyons like the Grand Canyon were created by relatively small flowing bodies of water for long periods of time (millions of years).

OK now to the mathematical problems you inserted in your response. Yes it would make logical sense if everything were the same geologically speaking as it is today, it may or may not have been. The thing is, we have different views about this "theory" and there is noway we would agree with each other, you believe in materialism only and I believe in the omnipotent supernatural power of God. You can not in my opinion mathematically or materialistically figure out how God can or can not perform anything, God's power is not subjected by any laws of physics. He had created physics therefore He is not bound it them, He is God and above all things. Just one example of this is in Matthew 14....
Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”
“We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.
“Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children."

The reason I and many others believe that there was enough water to cover the earth was that the topographical surface features were not as high as it is today. The Earth's mountains where now towering like it is today, and the oceans floor were not as deep as it was today. There now is very strong evidence that there are oceans of water 7-10 miles under the Earths crust. The bible explains that the waters came from the canopy of water about the face of the Earth and that waters sprang up from the deep.

Psalm 104:6-8 indicates that, at some time in the past, God established new heights and depths for the Earth’s mountains and valleys. While directing his comments to Jehovah, the psalmist proclaimed:

You covered it [the Earth—EL] with the deep as with a garment; the waters were standing above the mountains. At Your rebuke they fled, at the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. The mountains rose; the valleys sank down to the place which You established for them” (NASU, emp. added).
Taken from the website- http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=901

According to www.ChristianAnswers.net, "There are many volcanic rocks interspersed between the fossil layers in the rock record -- layers that were obviously deposited during Noah's flood. So it is quite plausible that these fountains of the great deep involved a series of volcanic eruptions with prodigious amounts of water bursting up through the ground. It is interesting that up to 70 percent or more of what comes out of volcanoes today is water, often in the form of steam."

"In their catastrophic plate tectonics model for the flood, Austin et al. have proposed that at the onset of the flood, the ocean floor rapidly lifted up to 6,500 feet (2,000 meters) due to an increase in temperature as horizontal movement of the tectonic plates accelerated. This would spill the seawater onto the land and cause massive flooding -- perhaps what is aptly described as the breaking up of the 'fountains of the great deep.'"

The other source of the water for Noah's flood was torrential rainfall from "the windows of heaven." It rained without stop for 40 days and 40 nights. The expression "windows of heaven" is used twice in reference to the flood in Genesis 7:11 and 8:2.
Taken from the website-
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/Discipleship/Noah-WhereWater.aspx

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA nonsense.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

Rac.....if you truly feel that your statement above is accurate, why are you spending so much time trying to "hammer" what is apparent in real world geology

and earth science, into a scenario that you think we will accept ? ? ?

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

The real world geology shows evidence of a world wide flood. :)

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