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Mar 2, 2012 15:26:24   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
johnr9999 wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
its all software the video doesn't add to the cost but drives sales. now i would never use video features because to paraphrase Dr Lenord "Bones" McCoy " Damit Jim Im a photographer not a cinematographer!!!" its bad enough have to compete with ansel adams, now the camera manufactureres want me to compete with steven spielberg too? lol

sinatraman, I don't often disagree with you, but the software for firmware is exponentialy harder to write. Adding the firmware for video would add extensively to the cost. It's like new pharmaceuticals on the market. They have to make the cost on r&d as soon as possible, therefore the cost of a non-video camera would be significantly lower. I haven't written any firmware in a number of years, but we once had to write it in assembly language, which is very difficult. We would then have to run it through an emulator which, itself, had to be written in assembly language. It's not like writing in a 4gl language or C++ or Python.
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I haven't written firmware software, but I'm guessing that there are better tools for doing it now. Also, I suspect that a lot of it can just be re-used, since it's already been written for existing platforms, i.e., cameras with the video capability.

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Mar 2, 2012 16:03:00   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
sinatraman wrote:
thank you. the point i was trying to make in a very clumsy way was that most of the cost for a dslr with or without video would be nearly the same. adding video didn't add to the mechanical equipment side of the camera. with or without video, a d-800 lets say will still have a mirror, lens mount ,sensor, af system metering system hot shoe etc. if you opened up a video dslr and put it next to the same model without video you couldn't tell them apart. not a computer person, so i bow to your expertise on how costly writing the firmware would be. my long winded point is you wouldn't save much money, and people would still spend the extra for all the bells and whistles. look at new cars there is a reason you can hardly find a stripped down basic sedan on the lot, people say they want em but wind up buying the loaded vehicle instead for just a little more.
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You're absolutely right. You have a great deal of trouble even buying a stick transmission (you young people, look it up) anymore. I get tired of all the gimcracks and gewgaws on modern cars anymore.

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Mar 2, 2012 16:04:11   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
sinatraman wrote:
thank you. the point i was trying to make in a very clumsy way was that most of the cost for a dslr with or without video would be nearly the same. adding video didn't add to the mechanical equipment side of the camera. with or without video, a d-800 lets say will still have a mirror, lens mount ,sensor, af system metering system hot shoe etc. if you opened up a video dslr and put it next to the same model without video you couldn't tell them apart. not a computer person, so i bow to your expertise on how costly writing the firmware would be. my long winded point is you wouldn't save much money, and people would still spend the extra for all the bells and whistles. look at new cars there is a reason you can hardly find a stripped down basic sedan on the lot, people say they want em but wind up buying the loaded vehicle instead for just a little more.
thank you. the point i was trying to make in a ver... (show quote)

You're absolutely right. You have a great deal of trouble even buying a stick transmission (you young people, look it up) anymore. I get tired of all the gimcracks and gewgaws on modern cars anymore.

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Mar 2, 2012 16:26:06   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
I have written a lot of software from mainframes to micro and in a multitude of languages, from assembler language, C++, VB, Python, FORTRAN and COBOL; and I can tell you RMM is right. You are down to the basics here and there is very little in the way of caned or packaged software.

RMM wrote:
johnr9999 wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
its all software the video doesn't add to the cost but drives sales. now i would never use video features because to paraphrase Dr Lenord "Bones" McCoy " Damit Jim Im a photographer not a cinematographer!!!" its bad enough have to compete with ansel adams, now the camera manufactureres want me to compete with steven spielberg too? lol

sinatraman, I don't often disagree with you, but the software for firmware is exponentialy harder to write. Adding the firmware for video would add extensively to the cost. It's like new pharmaceuticals on the market. They have to make the cost on r&d as soon as possible, therefore the cost of a non-video camera would be significantly lower. I haven't written any firmware in a number of years, but we once had to write it in assembly language, which is very difficult. We would then have to run it through an emulator which, itself, had to be written in assembly language. It's not like writing in a 4gl language or C++ or Python.
quote=sinatraman its all software the video doesn... (show quote)

I haven't written firmware software, but I'm guessing that there are better tools for doing it now. Also, I suspect that a lot of it can just be re-used, since it's already been written for existing platforms, i.e., cameras with the video capability.
quote=johnr9999 quote=sinatraman its all softwar... (show quote)

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Mar 4, 2012 00:36:55   #
jorge loor
 
Yes ! Hoppe Nikon hear Us.

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Mar 4, 2012 02:16:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
[quote=judy 2011]I love my video Canon T3i! Now I don't have to take two cameras when I go hiking. Such a pain that was. All I need is the one camera now.[/quote

I like the two memory cards that the D7000 has. I devoted the second one to video, which I use to record my grandson. It certainly comes in handy for us granddads!! I've even looked at a rig setup for better videos. I do wish the D7000's record button was easier to reach.

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