Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

Every parent needs to see this documentary before allowing their children to be v******ted. For those of you who thought I was a nutty conspiracy theorist for warning about the dangers and injuries from v*****es, you especially need to see this video.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Well you may be nutty on some things, on this subject you are right on point, Good Job

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Do you really believe that everybody refusing v*****es would be free of consequences? Do you not accept that v*****es save lives?

tschmath Loc: Los Angeles

People who don't v******te their kids should be sterilized so that can't do this to any others. V*****es are a godsend. Plain and simple. Yes, there are some side effects, but they pale in comparison to the good they have done worldwide.

Parents who don't v******te their kids not only put their own kids at risk, they put the entire population at risk. This is just another great example of people rejecting science in favor of nutty conspir****ts who make stuff up.

Jenny McCarthy has single-handedly done more to hurt the health of this country than anyone except the now disgraced doctor who falsely claimed his research proved v*****es cause autism. He was found to be a fraud and admitted it, but by then the damage was done. It should be a national law that all children have to be v******ted.

In California children are barred from schools without v******tions. No exceptions. And that is the way it should be. I read a story by a doctor who refused to see patients who will not v******te. That should be the law.

Can you tell this is a big deal to me?

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

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Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Did you watch the video?

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Did you watch the video?

And I don't know anyone who is taking the stance that there should never be any v*****es given to anyone ever. That is a straw man argument.

Giving new born babies and children up to 1 years old up to 70 v*****es is complete overk**l, even if they weren't full of toxins such as mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde. To have such blind faith and trust in a for profit and highly corrupted industry to inject vulnerable babies and toddlers whose i****e s****ms and neurological systems are not fully developed and highly vulnerable with toxins into their blood for profit, to me is what is nutty and insane.

Again, I ask you, did you watch this video? Or do you just robotically parrot the assurances of industry and mainstream media and the corrupted government regulatory agencies?

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

This is about the only thing that I find that I agree with you on, I refuse to get v******ted....too much toxins in those v*****es including the harmful element of Mercury.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Keenan, you are fighting an uphill battle overcoming the propaganda drummed into these folks from the time that they started school. The big pharma organization has a large budget just to keep their message alive.
Look at tschmath, he is a teacher for Pete's sake.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I got to minute 5 and so far no science. If it's in there give us a clue where to find it as I'm not going to waste close to two hours watching what I have seen in the first 5 minutes. And, if you aren't against all v*****es, which ones are you for?

While it doesn't make it true or false I don't find the cheerleaders you have found on this thread so far to be really impressive. Something about being known by the company you keep.

It's my understanding that v*****es are not a big moneymaker for Pharmaceutical companies. Even more so when one factors in liability. Most won't produce them.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Not a problem I find you somewhat less than impressive.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

And I feel much better about myself because you do.

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Giant thumbs up!

There has been a considerable increase in measles cases over the past few years, likely attributable to the foolish refusal to v******te kids. Whooping cough also is increasing, both in children and adults. My brother had whooping cough recently; he was then in his late sixties. Yes, he survived with a cracked rib and some weeks of misery, but it can be fatal for small children. The v*****e should be repeated for adults.

Herd effect can protect those foolish enough to forgo v******tion, but with increasing numbers of "refusals" that effect becomes increasingly tenuous.

Polio, which the Salk and Sabine v*****es had essentially eradicated, is now resurgent in areas of Africa where the local i***ts in chief hold that v******tion is a western plot to destroy their people.

I vividly remember the yearly polio scare, the March of Dimes, children doomed to life in iron lungs, or clumsy braces and crutches, or wheel chairs. How many of the McCarthyites remember? How many UUHers do? Do the anti-v*****e folk pick and choose?

One poster alludes to aluminum and mercury compounds in v*****es; IIRC mercuric compounds are no longer used in v*****es. BTW, anyone else remember Mercurochrome, the painless alternative to tincture of iodine? Mercury has been and still is widely used in dental amalgams, my dentist sees no danger its use in this manner. And aluminum is, IIRC, the most common metal in the environment.

I wonder what credentials, if any, Jenny McCarthy has to lend any weight to her opinions. According to a Wikipedia article on her, her son may not have had autism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy While it was a personal tragedy that her son had some sort of neurological problem this does not make her an expert. And Andrew Wakefield's study has been repudiated, he is now unable to practice medicine in the UK. He apparently cooked the data for potential profit.

Is it not possible that, since the majority of parents still have their children v******ted, most diagnosed cases of autism attributed to v*****es are in the nature of "post hoc, ergo propter hoc", a logical error which should be obvious to anyone? Just because the rooster crows before sunrise doesn't mean he causes the sunrise.

From what I read there is little profit motive in developing v*****es, so big pharma isn't especially interested in such work, even less so with the increasing willingness of the Jenny McCarthys of the mass media to encourage law suits. Indeed, IIRC, supplies of one v*****e ran out until a company willing to produce it could be found.

V*****es are such an elegant solution to many diseases. There's apparently no worry about the v***s or bacterium developing resistance, as so many bacteria do to most of our antibiotics. And with widespread use of v*****es the disease may become extinct.

There seems to be some progress in developing a v*****e for the Ebola v***s, the current "bete noir" of popular culture. Would Ms McCarthy and her disciples deny such a v*****e to their children? I'd imagine that these folks don't get flu shots, despite influenza k*****g thousands in the US alone almost every year. See this link: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

Smallpox is in the possibly extinct category. The v***s may exist only in laboratory isolation; there has been discussion of destroying these samples, but then if some samples survive and are "weaponized" there would be no way to develop a new v*****e.

There has to be a rational consideration of risk versus benefits in any life decision. Driving a car brings hazards which can be ameliorated to some extent, but never completely. How many of us would forgo the benefits of personal t***sportation because of some risk? Similarly, v*****es MAY present some risks, but the personal and societal benefits far outweigh the risks.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

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RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

Life expectancy 1900: 46.3, US population : 76,212,168

In 1900, if a mother had four children, there was a fifty-fifty chance that one would die before the age of 5. At the same time, half of all young people lost a parent before they reached the age of 21


Life expectancy 2013: +/- 80 years , US population:316,100,000

Kids died of diseases that they now survive or never get because they are immune or never get exposed. They get immunity either from their surviving parents or from vacines. Why a kid who is not v******ted never gets a particular disease- they are taking advantage of those of us who do. We are seeing a resurgence of whooping cough now… and polio in countries that have refused the v*****e. I know people with polio, it's nothing but fun I'll bet you know no family who has lost a child under the age of 5 or really 20, due to disease other then perhaps, and even then rarely cancer.

Polio deaths in NYC alone 1916:
<1 years 316
1 year: 402
2 years:357
3 years: 264
4 years: 163
5-9 years: 321
10-14 years: 54
15-19 Years: 18
20-24 years: 9
25-29 years: 11
30-34 years: 4
35-39 years: 3
40-44 years: 3


1900 people died in 1906 from just polio in 1919 in the CITY OF NEW YORK ALONE! of those that survived polio over 35% had residual paralysis. THis is acceptable levels to you low-lifes…. it isn't to me.

You know no one who has died of polio or been paralyzed nor infected with it, since the widespread campaign of v******tions- yet the disease prevails in those "PROGRESSIVE" countries who you agree with, that are refusing it- i***t countries and people alike..

Nearly everyone in the U.S. got measles before there was a v*****e, and hundreds died from it each year. Today, most doctors have never seen a case of measles.
More than 15,000 Americans died from diphtheria in 1921, before there was a v*****e. Only one case of diphtheria has been reported to CDC since 2004.
An epidemic of rubella (German measles) in 1964-65 infected 12½ million Americans, k**led 2,000 babies, and caused 11,000 miscarriages. In 2012, 9 cases of rubella were reported to CDC.

Thus, if you or your children refuse to get v******ted, then we have the right to quarantine you. Simple logic, and if you infect a preventable disease, then anybody who may catch it from you or your infected kids should have to right right t o sue you.

Mercury:

Thimerosal used as a v*****e preservative, but eliminated from v*****es now for those give to infants, breaks down to ethymercury- which does not remain in the body but is eliminated. Methylmercury is the metal, you get it from eating food contaminated with it, commonly fish - like tuna.

You are commonly exposed to mercury as it is a natural occuring element. Water, oxygen, table salt in concentrated amounts are toxic. It's not the toxicity of a substance, it is the concentration/dose you should be concerned about.

According to FDA analysis in 2005, tuna fish contains 0.64 micrograms of mercury for each gram of tuna. A 60 gram portion (about two ounces) would contain 38.4 micrograms of mercury. By contrast, v*****e manufacturers using thimerosal (a mercury containing compound) as the preservative are adding between 12.5 and 25 micrograms of mercury per dose of v*****e. Although children get multiple doses of v*****e, they eat far more tuna fish! Even the recommendations for pregnant women to eat no more than one portion of tuna fish per week exceeds the amount children would get in v*****es if thimerosal were still in use. Simply to avoid the controversy, v*****e manufacturers have omitted thimerosal in v*****es intended for use in young children, despite the fact that there is mounting scientific evidence that thimerosal has not caused any harm and does not cause autism.