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Jan 8, 2015 06:58:49   #
Greenguy33 Loc: Rhode Island
 
I'm curious if there is a visible difference in IQ between a Nikon D610, D750 and D810?
Someday, I'd like to go full frame and was wondering which camera would work for someone who shoots nature and landscapes, with the possibility of someday shooting a wedding or event.

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Jan 8, 2015 07:07:03   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
I'm curious if there is a visible difference in IQ between a Nikon D610, D750 and D810?
Someday, I'd like to go full frame and was wondering which camera would work for someone who shoots nature and landscapes, with the possibility of someday shooting a wedding or event.

Landscapes, D810 by far. It's just not a sports camera if you like to spray a lot, don't go there, but it will handle weddings, and it excels in landscapes.

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Jan 8, 2015 07:14:19   #
Greenguy33 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Capture48 wrote:
Landscapes, D810 by far. It's just not a sports camera if you like to spray a lot, don't go there, but it will handle weddings, and it excels in landscapes.


Thanks Capture48!
A follow up question...would it be a better idea (money wise) to look for a used D800 or D800e, instead of a D810? Would I notice a difference?

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Jan 8, 2015 07:17:32   #
josie horne Loc: new orleans LA
 
That's what I would get is the 810. Only thing is it's expensive and it's not easy to sell pict ,everybody has a camera today and the Picts are good.

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Jan 8, 2015 07:19:21   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
I'm curious if there is a visible difference in IQ between a Nikon D610, D750 and D810?
Someday, I'd like to go full frame and was wondering which camera would work for someone who shoots nature and landscapes, with the possibility of someday shooting a wedding or event.

If you plan to crop or enlarge greatly, the D810 has the MP advantage.

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Jan 8, 2015 07:28:36   #
Capture48 Loc: Arizona
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
Thanks Capture48!
A follow up question...would it be a better idea (money wise) to look for a used D800 or D800e, instead of a D810? Would I notice a difference?


Nikon, factory refurbished or B&H something like that I probably would not hesitate to purchase. the D800e is more expensive than a D800 and you would probably not notice any difference with it.

I have the D800 and have not seen enough upgrades in the 810 to upgrade.

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Jan 8, 2015 07:29:02   #
banjonut Loc: Southern Michigan
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
I'm curious if there is a visible difference in IQ between a Nikon D610, D750 and D810?
Someday, I'd like to go full frame and was wondering which camera would work for someone who shoots nature and landscapes, with the possibility of someday shooting a wedding or event.


I think the D810 would do you the best for landscape work. Better suited for enlargements.

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Jan 8, 2015 07:48:20   #
Greenguy33 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Capture48 wrote:
Nikon, factory refurbished or B&H something like that I probably would not hesitate to purchase. the D800e is more expensive than a D800 and you would probably not notice any difference with it.

I have the D800 and have not seen enough upgrades in the 810 to upgrade.


Thanks Capture48! I was wondering how much difference there is between the D800 and D800e.

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Jan 8, 2015 08:25:22   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
Thanks Capture48! I was wondering how much difference there is between the D800 and D800e.

Technically there is virtually no difference. But that also means you have to be exceedingly good at post processing, and few people are that good.

The difference is in how to sharpen an image, because the distinction between to two cameras is what kind of noise is caused by aliasing. With the D800E there is no Anti-Aliasing filter, which means there is more aliasing distortion, and it is spread through out the image. The only place it is normally recognizable is at higher spatial frequencies where it causes Moire patterns. The Moire patterns are not all that common to begin with, and the aliasing distortion otherwise is not visibly distracting. With the D800 there is an AA filter. It will very slightly reduce the Signal to Noise Ratio at very high spatial frequencies, mostly removing any Moire, and virtually totally removing aliasing distortion at lower spatial frequencies. The reduced SNR vs Moire is the primary reason to select one camera over the other. It is hard to compensate for Moire is post processing, but the SNR is all but totally corrected with "appropriate" sharpening. Appropriate means you actually know what it is and how control it (which is different for each editor).

If you don't want to worry about it, buy a D800. If you like to fuss and also want to just "know" you've got the best, buy the D800E. You'll get the same picture IQ either way!

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Jan 8, 2015 08:29:12   #
Greenguy33 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Apaflo wrote:
Technically there is virtually no difference. But that also means you have to be exceedingly good at post processing, and few people are that good.

The difference is in how to sharpen an image, because the distinction between to two cameras is what kind of noise is caused by aliasing. With the D800E there is no Anti-Aliasing filter, which means there is more aliasing distortion, and it is spread through out the image. The only place it is normally recognizable is at higher spatial frequencies where it causes Moire patterns. The Moire patterns are not all that common to begin with, and the aliasing distortion otherwise is not visibly distracting. With the D800 there is an AA filter. It will very slightly reduce the Signal to Noise Ratio at very high spatial frequencies, mostly removing any Moire, and virtually totally removing aliasing distortion at lower spatial frequencies. The reduced SNR vs Moire is the primary reason to select one camera over the other. It is hard to compensate for Moire is post processing, but the SNR is all but totally corrected with "appropriate" sharpening. Appropriate means you actually know what it is and how control it (which is different for each editor).

If you don't want to worry about it, buy a D800. If you like to fuss and also want to just "know" you've got the best, buy the D800E. You'll get the same picture IQ either way!
Technically there is virtually no difference. But... (show quote)


Thanks Apaflo! Sounds like me and my wallet will be happy getting the D800. :thumbup:

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Jan 8, 2015 09:27:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
Thanks Apaflo! Sounds like me and my wallet will be happy getting the D800. :thumbup:

If I lived my life to make my wallet happy, I'd be miserable. :D

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Jan 8, 2015 09:29:42   #
Greenguy33 Loc: Rhode Island
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If I lived my life to make my wallet happy, I'd be miserable. :D


Great point! :thumbup:

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Jan 9, 2015 05:42:41   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
I'm curious if there is a visible difference in IQ between a Nikon D610, D750 and D810?
Someday, I'd like to go full frame and was wondering which camera would work for someone who shoots nature and landscapes, with the possibility of someday shooting a wedding or event.


D810 is the best "all around" camera with the highest image quality out there, save for the Sony A7R - which is also 36 mp. If you compare the 610, 750 and 810, you will not be able to see a difference in the final print. The advantage of the 810 is better handling, more pixels to crop, and if you downsample your images, a noise characteristic similar to a D4. Frame rate is overrated for most applications. I have gotten excellent shots with a D800 at table tennis tournaments - crummy lighting, extremely fast action and no flash permitted - though I think I'r rather have a D4 for a Jai-Alai match.

You can downsample the D810 image from 7,360 x 4,912 (36 mp) to 4,256 x 2,832 (12mp) and still end up with more than enough pixels to print huge images. (bearing in mind that for a 24"x36" print a 6 mp image is fine).

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Jan 9, 2015 05:56:51   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Gene51 wrote:
You can downsample the D810 image from 7,360 x 4,912 (36 mp) to 4,256 x 2,832 (12mp) and still end up with more than enough pixels to print huge images. (bearing in mind that for a 24"x36" print a 6 mp image is fine).

First, downsampling and then letting the print driver upsample to get a large print has another name: Low pass filter. And a very effective one too, which means it isn't something you would do on purpose because it removes all high resolution detail.

And 6 MP images do print just fine at 24x36... fine assuming you are not at all critical or simply have no taste at all. They look very poor.

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Jan 9, 2015 06:24:59   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Apaflo wrote:
First, downsampling and then letting the print driver upsample to get a large print has another name: Low pass filter. And a very effective one too, which means it isn't something you would do on purpose because it removes all high resolution detail.

And 6 MP images do print just fine at 24x36... fine assuming you are not at all critical or simply have no taste at all. They look very poor.


For the record - 6 mp images viewed at "normal" distances look fine - since your eye cannot resolve the small details provided by higher resolution images - at "normal' distances. I have had prints made from a D70, uncropped, printed at 40x60 and shown in galleries - and the comments were wow, look at the detail. Floyd - we've been down this path on several occaisons, and I have no desire to beat this horse again - you are entitled to your opinion - but no one in the printing industry will support what you are saying. People don't make a habit of viewing 24x36 prints at 18" unless they are photographers, and nearsighted.

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