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Dec 13, 2014 11:10:53   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
I know that I have been told a 1000 times that I need to get into post work editing. I find it very monotonous a process. I have seen some post work pictures and actually love the results but it leaves me wondering how much of the photo is the man behind the camera and how much of the photo is the man behind the mouse. I know that a few clicks of the button and it's a rave and craze over some images.

I am so stuck on the film mentality that I would rather take a few hundred shots and come out with 10 useable or near perfect in my eyes shots than to take the time editing.

I am really curios to know are there many that have this kind of attitude/thought process when it comes to taking shots.

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Dec 13, 2014 11:23:34   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
If you were stuck in film mentality you would not mention taking hundred of pictures to have one right.

Film mentality is about getting it right in as few capture as possible THEN do the post processing.

Your post is pure BS.

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Dec 13, 2014 11:45:14   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
kcrunchone wrote:
I know that I have been told a 1000 times that I need to get into post work editing. I find it very monotonous a process. I have seen some post work pictures and actually love the results but it leaves me wondering how much of the photo is the man behind the camera and how much of the photo is the man behind the mouse. I know that a few clicks of the button and it's a rave and craze over some images.

I am so stuck on the film mentality that I would rather take a few hundred shots and come out with 10 useable or near perfect in my eyes shots than to take the time editing.

I am really curios to know are there many that have this kind of attitude/thought process when it comes to taking shots.
I know that I have been told a 1000 times that I n... (show quote)


Whatever works for you is ok. This is a hobby meant to bring enjoyment. If you don't enjoy doing the pp, then there is no reason for feeling guilty for not doing it. Others do like spending that time with their photos and their computer. That is ok too. No right or wrong here.

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Dec 13, 2014 11:48:54   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
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Dec 13, 2014 11:53:41   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
Elliern wrote:
Whatever works for you is ok. This is a hobby meant to bring enjoyment. If you don't enjoy doing the pp, then there is no reason for feeling guilty for not doing it. Others do like spending that time with their photos and their computer. That is ok too. No right or wrong here.


Thanks. Not that I haven't tried, I really would love to seeing some of the masterful works some are doing. Some people have a knack for it and have a basic formula I think that what I would need, simple steps then trying different processes. Its to amazing how some can make a nice picture look so beautiful once they are done with it in PS.

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Dec 13, 2014 11:54:32   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
kcrunchone wrote:
I know that I have been told a 1000 times that I need to get into post work editing. I find it very monotonous a process. I have seen some post work pictures and actually love the results but it leaves me wondering how much of the photo is the man behind the camera and how much of the photo is the man behind the mouse. I know that a few clicks of the button and it's a rave and craze over some images.

I am so stuck on the film mentality that I would rather take a few hundred shots and come out with 10 useable or near perfect in my eyes shots than to take the time editing.

I am really curios to know are there many that have this kind of attitude/thought process when it comes to taking shots.
I know that I have been told a 1000 times that I n... (show quote)


Does your way work for you? If so, then what's the worry? Unless you feel that you are not doing it the "right" way. Actually, the right way is whatever works for you. Shoot and enjoy. Otherwise, get an editing program and force yourself to learn how to use it. Post processing doesn't have to mean wholesale changes to an image. It's often just little tweaks to overcome minor imperfections that you may not have been aware of or had any control over. If you had only one opportunity to take a particular shot, but the ambient light just wouldn't cooperate, would you not take the photo, take the photo and be forever unhappy with it, or take the shot and process it to bring out what you know was there? I know what I would do.

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Dec 13, 2014 12:01:25   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
Rongnongno wrote:
If you were stuck in film mentality you would not mention taking hundred of pictures to have one right.

Film mentality is about getting it right in as few capture as possible THEN do the post processing.

Your post is pure BS.


Thanks....
I mean in a day not of the same shot, not really BS just trying to see how many are not really into post processing. AND to your thoughts of my thoughts being BS thats your opinion and you have to right to have it no need for you rude BS. If you get off on ticking people off try someone else.

Just here to see if others are like this or were like this and what they did or started to do to jump into PP. Not here for an argument or discussion of how or actually what you believe because you didn't have to post anything. Not asking for harassing comments or vulgarity so if you have nothing positive to say you could have kept it moving.

SO back to anyone that would have constructive criticism.

I just need to get around to trying but I haven't yet, I have lightened up or done minimal things using light zone and a few other things but know many that spend more time editing than the shoots themselves. Also kinda curious as to where the love is ? Behind the camera or behind the computer?

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Dec 13, 2014 12:05:43   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
LFingar
I have taken many shots that I have that I know can be made better PP, I will take your advice and force myself to try using one or 2 programs and try and master one but I have been told it is hard to master.

Thanks Elliern and Lfingar. I appreciate your repsonses

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Dec 13, 2014 13:38:51   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
kcrunchone wrote:
LFingar
I have taken many shots that I have that I know can be made better PP, I will take your advice and force myself to try using one or 2 programs and try and master one but I have been told it is hard to master.

Thanks Elliern and Lfingar. I appreciate your repsonses


Don't let what you have heard put you off. Mastering a complex and highly capable processing program can be very difficult, maybe even impossible for some. Fortunately, there are all types of programs with a variety of capabilities and differing degrees of difficulty. There are some very good free programs that can provide you with basic capabilities, from what I have read here on the Hog. Might be a good place to start. There are also reasonably priced programs like Photoshop Elements that allow you to chose the level of capability you want. Start small and work up. All the more popular programs also have some very good how-to books written by some very capable photographers available online at places like Amazon. Scott Kelby is a good name to look for. He has written numerous books about photography and processing programs.

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Dec 13, 2014 13:55:59   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
kcrunchone wrote:


About Rongnongno:

"AND to your thoughts of my thoughts being BS thats your opinion and you have to right to have it no need for you rude BS. If you get off on ticking people off try someone else."


Just ignore him, he's frequently full of BS himself and often has a prickly attitude. Probably can't remember to take his meds or is just pissed off because the cat keeps refusing his sexual advances!

On your main point, it's really up to you, but doesn't really have much to do with film. It's really a philosophical approach to do with how you want to create pictures.

Do you want to get the right shot with the camera, and spend lots of prep time setting up the "perfect shot", and then take just one? Do you want to take lots of shots and hope you get lucky? Something in between? You can do that with either film or digital, its just more expensive and wasteful with film, unless you wear out the shutter on your camera.

Post processing doesn't really have much to do with digital or film either. With film it was done in the darkroom if you wanted to do it. Otherwise you just sent out your film for processing and printing.
As has been widely discussed, Ansel Adams spent a huge part of his life creating prints in the darkroom with excellent technique.

With Digital, we just use computers to substitute for the darkroom work.

So, you might be "stuck on a mentality" and there is nothing wrong with that, but it really has nothing to do with film. It is more about how much thought and preparation do you want to put into the end result of your work.

Just take pictures and enjoy what you do. There really is no correct way to do it, just personal preference, and differeing levels of effectiveness.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:06:07   #
ronwande Loc: Hendersonville NC
 
This debate is about as useful as the "Which is better, Canon or Nikon" one or the nearly meaningless "What camera should I buy?"

Ansel Adams got it as close as he could in the camera, which included tailored development in the darkroom. Then he "post processed" his prints, dodging and burning where necessary.

Someone once asked me whether I post processed ALL of my images. My answer was "almost". Now that I shoot RAW I process ALL of them.

Doing the best you can do in the camera involves limitations such as the tonal range that a digital sensor can record.

Post processing can be as simple as one minute worth of adjusting tonal range and color balance, or it can be 8 hours of cloning out undesirable items and careful local adjustments.

My post processing efforts are usually to try to make the image look more like what I saw when I took the picture.

I have nothing against those who like "painterly" effects, they are just not for me most of the time.

Start simple. You can do a lot in a very short time.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:13:49   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
I don't care how good anyone is...a little (or some times a lot ) post processing can help an image.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:19:18   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
kcrunchone wrote:
I know that I have been told a 1000 times that I need to get into post work editing. I find it very monotonous a process.


You don't have to get all crazy involved with PP.
A single click on an Auto Contrast for instance on a otherwise flat image can make a nice difference and you could be one and done with it.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:21:10   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
I am really going to try currently I am trying to use light zone, not sure if anyone hear uses it or heard of it but I have only used it for a few things nothing major yet.

I am going to start off like most have advised slow and deliberate and will focus on making the shot look as natural as possible. I shoot with a 60D and an array of lenses, I really love this hobby and have even been paid for a few things hear and there now and again. I just love trying to perfect the shot on the fly in the moment which has lead me to learn a lot about the settings and features in my camera and relying on them heavily to try and make things as right as possible when I can. Which has honestly lead me to very little to no PP(knock on wood). I really appreciate all the words of encouragement. I will make sure to keep them all in mind when shooting and when I finally sit down and try my hand at some real editing.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:23:28   #
kcrunchone Loc: some where out there
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
I don't care how good anyone is...a little (or some times a lot ) post processing can help an image.


I am going to keep that in mind, my thing is really I guess learning the menus behind the correct route to processing.

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