abc1234
Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
mfeveland wrote:
You've over complicated a very simple theory, but you did a good job of it.
Damned with feint praise but I will still take it.
abc1234 wrote:
The difference between film and digital is in the ASA/ISO business. With film, each roll was a given ISO. If you wanted a different ISO, you had to remove the roll or develop it differently knowing you were developing some as desired and hope for the best with the rest.
With digital, each shot can have its own ISO. Judging from you last comment, just pick an ISO and leave it. Now, you can shoot in an automatic mode, shutter-priority, aperture-priority or manual just as with film. Take ISO out of the equation. You can always add it back later.
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There is NO difference between ASA/ISO except the name change! For the beginner, who usually shoots outdoors, one chosen low ISO (about 100) is good enough for all day.
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abc1234
Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
jenny wrote:
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There is NO difference between ASA/ISO except the name change! For the beginner, who usually shoots outdoors, one chosen low ISO (about 100) is good enough for all day.
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I say ASA in deference to those of us who pioneered photography way back when. At least, I did not say DIN. As for shooting at 100, my Canon 60D will go to 400 with no perceivable increase in noise. Those two stops give me a bit more flexibility that I greatly appreciate. In fact, today's 6400 gives me better "grain" and contrast than Tri-X and T-Max did at 400. And I shot 2 1/4 square.
As for beginners sticking to 100, I agree with you but would have no problem with their going to 400 to reduce motion blur and depth of field issues.
Happy shooting.
these three relationships do not come easily. It can literally take years but one day they will all snap together. Understanding the real relationship between shutter speed, ISO and aperture and their affect on your final image is one of the two great lessons of photography. The more important, at least in my opinion, is learning to appreciate the quality of light and it's power.
Just think, back in the film days you bought film with the ISO for what you decided that your subject would be ahead of time to avoid grain or if grain was acceptable because you knew the lighting would be low.
If the ISO was low and the lighting low, you had a choice of open aperture or use of flash.
It seems to me that this is only approximately correct if one is using an auto exposure mode, say shutter priority or aperture priority and one relies entirely on the camera's metering system to determine "correct" exposure.
If I use manual mode, I can select all three parameters. This may or may not result in an acceptable exposure. For example, if the subject is on a field of snow, and I select an ISO of 200 and an aperture of f/4, auto metering may give me a high shutter speed (making the snow gray and my subject too dark. I can decide to select a slower shutter speed, so the snow is brighter and my subject is also brighter, leaving the other parameters as previously selected.
In the auto modes, one could use exposure compensation to achieve the same ends.
Where have I gone wrong?
kentw wrote:
It seems to me that this is only approximately correct if one is using an auto exposure mode, say shutter priority or aperture priority and one relies entirely on the camera's metering system to determine "correct" exposure.
If I use manual mode, I can select all three parameters. This may or may not result in an acceptable exposure. For example, if the subject is on a field of snow, and I select an ISO of 200 and an aperture of f/4, auto metering may give me a high shutter speed (making the snow gray and my subject too dark. I can decide to select a slower shutter speed, so the snow is brighter and my subject is also brighter, leaving the other parameters as previously selected.
In the auto modes, one could use exposure compensation to achieve the same ends.
Where have I gone wrong?
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You have not gone wrong anywhere.
But to just strengthen one of your points - in auto modes with exposure compensation you are limited to about 2 stops of compensation either way.
In manual you have access to all of your cameras settings.
abc1234 wrote:
The exposure triangle is a familiar concept and presents the three key variables for exposure: shutter speed, aperture and ISO. You need all three to make a picture. However, most discussions either ignore or gloss over the fact that the photographer can pick only two of the three variables at a time. Once he or she does, then the amount of light present determines the third. This is the technical reality and artistic considerations may override it.
Another problem with the exposure triangle is that it does not clearly show how one variable affects another. For example, how does changing the shutter speed affect the aperture or ISO and what do you gain or not gain for it. For experienced photographers, this is trivial. However, for beginners, this can be baffling.
Therefore, to help beginners, I transformed the exposure triangle into a scheme called "Pick Any Two". Any two of the three exposure variables gives three combinations of shutter speed, aperture and ISO. The pictures below show each combination, how the two independent variables affect each other, and the various trade-offs. The values shown are only examples and should not be taken literally.
I look forward to comments on how to improve this. If you would like a PDF, please send me a private message.
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Actually, any one exposure variable gives you six combinations of shutter speed, aperture and ISO that are of equal value.
speters wrote:
Actually, any one exposure variable gives you six combinations of shutter speed, aperture and ISO that are of equal value.
I have seen this number 6 before and I wonder where it comes from.
I would think it is many more than 6.
I can get to 9 by only using F/1.4 to F/22, and 1/4000th to 1/15th, only using full stops, and not making any ISO changes.
Using third stops would take it to 27, and we still haven't changed our ISO.
What am I missing here?
As an instructor of general photography as well as forensic photography, I must commend and thank you. I must also inform you I plan on gleaning from your info and layout. Thanks, J. Goffe
abc1234 wrote:
SS, in this age of built-in meters, why would you use sunny 16? Is a sunny day in my neighborhood as sunny as in yours? Or is a sunny day in January the same as on in June? Or is 9 AM as sunny as 4 PM. Might be in July but how about December?
As for cutting corners, what happens if you cut a f/stop in half or double it? f/4 becomes f/2 or f/8. Right? Oops, now we have four times the light or a fourth. Oops is right.
I know you know better. Thanks for all your enlightening posts.
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It is just fractional math. Think in terms of money. If I double 1/4 of a dollar (25 cents) l get 1/2 of a dollar (50 cents). If I divide a half dollar (50 cents) in half I get 1/4 (25 cents).
Although not as graphic, there are several "exposure calculator" apps on the play-store for the android and I'm sure for the iPhone.
abc1234
Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
the f/stops here wrote:
As an instructor of general photography as well as forensic photography, I must commend and thank you. I must also inform you I plan on gleaning from your info and layout. Thanks, J. Goffe
Thank you. Do use it in your classes. Let me know how people receive it and of any corrections or improvements. Please keep in mind that this is copyrighted.
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