prayingmantis

SIRLENSALOT As I mentioned in my long post above I own a Sony A7r. Regarding the price differential that you speak about, the Sony A7r is a 36mp camera with a full frame sensor and no anti-aliasing filter on it.It sells for $2300. The Nikon D800E uses the same sensor (the Nikon sensor is made by Sony) and it sells for $3000. The Nikon D800E is not a mirrorless camera. Look for mirrorless cameras to be cheaper than SLR's and TLR's as the numbers of manufactured mirrorless cameras takes off. Economy in numbers.

rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin

Cholly, with all due respect, what you describe was not what I experienced using a Fuji X-Pro1 mirrorless. Exposure changes were not evident, either on the screen or in the EVF. If I mounted a filter or rotated a circular polarizer, the effect was not visible except after the fact in the captured image itself. /Ralph

prayingmantis

To RJWALLACE I do not own a Fuji but do own the Sony A7R and two other Sony cameras all of which have EVF. If you are using any automatic mode such as aperture or shutter speed priority you will not see the changes in camera settings in the view finder. Where you do see the changes in settings through the EVF is either manual mode (I only shoot manual mode) or if you dial in exposure compensation or change the white balance. When shooting manual mode I choose my aperture first and then turn the shutter speed dial until I get the histogram where I want it as seen through the EVF (histogram and image can be displayed in the EVF).

rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin

To prayingmantis - thanks, that sounds logical. I will keep that technique in mind. Am guessing it might work in similar fashion for a non-mirrorless DSLR with an EVF. I learn something every day in the UHH forum.

oldronjay Loc: Georgetown, TX

Have you looked at Canon EOS M? Under $350 APS-C Sensor and adapter will handle many Canon lenses. Comes with 22mm or 18-55mm.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

And no viewfinder. If I understand correctly, Canon has given up trying to sell it in the US.

PHW Loc: Madison, WI

Shooting through the filter of a mirrorless camera would seem to alter the image. A mirror camera shoots directly onto the sensor. And so........

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Pretty sure not only were mirrorless sales down last year, but overall they comprised about 5% of total camera sales. Not saying they are not great cameras. After 10 years, still waiting for the surge. lol
It gets a bit tiresome when MILC's are compared to everything other then MILC's, not that they are alone in this. I find it more informative when they are compared to other MILC's and leave it at that. Same goes for FF, APS-C, M4/3, etc. The rest is picking the flys--t out of the pepper IMO.
I am not defending any format. Facts only are APS-C's are the clear leader in sales, making them the choice of most buyers.

Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.

I looked up the Fuji X-Pro1 on dpreview, where it says the viewfinder is "Electronic and Optical (tunnel)".
For the E-M1, it indicates "Electronic".
I don't know if that would make a difference in what you see through the viewfinder.
I do know, that the changes I make (longer/shorter exposure, f/stop, white balance, etc. are visible through the viewfinder, also the effect of a circular polarizing filter.
I've even played with the different effects without taking photos, just for the fun of it.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Do you mean 5 years?

zooker9999

EOS M is available on Amazon, body only, $250 +/- or about $350 with a lens, M mount 22mm STM pancake lens or the M mount 18-55 STM IS lens. http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EOS-Compact-System-Camera/dp/B00B5GKM1K/ref=sr_1_51?ie=UTF8&qid=1416168843&sr=8-51&keywords=eos+m

It's great for 1080p movies utilizing full time follow-focus. Originally, the focus speed wasn't competitive but a firmware update made it better although it's still not at the top of the performance heap. But, when you look at the features, it's not too shabby. It differs only slightly from the 70D. The major differences are that the 70D has two digic processors to only one for the EOS M. It has the 18 megapixel equal to the 7D/70D, an APS-C sensor, touch screen like the 70D, frames per second (fps) about the same as the Canon 5D Mark II and the Sony a7r. There are four really nice M mount lens and then with an adapter it retains full functionality with all of Canon's Af-S and AF lens. It doesn't have a viewfinder but the screen is very bright.

There's not much you can't do with it. If I remember anything from Photography 101, we're not supposed to be out shooting in mid-day sun in the first place. It's not a 10-11 fps action camera but it's good for a lot of diversified use and a skilled photographer who knows his craft would no doubt be able to get some action shots with it plus, did I say it will fit in your jacket pocket. There's a good possibility that anyone who would discount the merit of an EOS M especially at the "blow out" price, just doesn't know anything about them. Sure, there's better but not new for $250 that'll use all of Canon's lens. There is an EOS M2 that isn't being brought into the U. S. I suspect Canon are about to bring something good. It is unlikely that the leading camera company is going to let the little guys retain a strategic advantage for very long so you might want to be mindful of what technology you get locked into.

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

I read a couple reviews of the EOS-M and it apparently has poor AF performance. Not sure if that pertains to very low light situations or just poor in general. Otherwise, it's apparently a fine camera.

Otherwise, Imhave read several reviews of the Sony A5000 and it would appear that despite being the "next generation," it does't seem to perform as well as its predecessors. That's taken from a professional critical analysis of all facets of the camera's operation and performance. If those reviews mean that the A5000 is just a mediocre camer for the money spent or not a very good camera at the professional level, I don't know if it would be money well-spent for my purposes or not. I am certainly not an advanced amateur, not to mention a pro. I just like to take good pictures for my own use.

If, on the other hand if it is at least as good as or better than any of the point and shoot cameras, i.e., the Nikon S9700 or the Canon SX700HS, as well as being more versatile, then it ought to be a good camera. I am still in a quandary.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Nope. Pretty sure it's more like 10. If memory serves correctly (getting less correctly thru the years) Leica had an M-mount mirrorless back in the old days - around 2004, maybe 2005.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

You bring up an excellent point. In general - newer technology does not always equate to better. I think sometimes I find myself falling into that trap. I came close to doing it with a wish to purchase the new Canon 7D MKll. Now that comps are coming in, everything not looking as well as anticipated with some of the older models outperforming the newer model.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

There is nothing in your response that contradicts my statements:

(1) There may be some local firms still trying to unload their EOS-M inventories, but Canon no longer lists it on their web-site for USA.

(2) It has no viewfinder. Punct.
You may try to take pictures any time any where you want to, but my personal experience is that doing a good job of composing is very difficult if all you have is an LCD. That is true any time the weather is reasonably good, not just high noon. You are welcome to use it; I'm fine with that, but I will need some kind of assistance, and except for its ability to natively use my Canon lenses, it offers nothing to me that I cannot get from Olympus or Sony with a viewfinder.