raw or tiff (Page 2): Some cameras do have the capability to output in tiff.

GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City

Wendy2 wrote:

Your camera does not shoot in Tiff. That is what you do to it after you view it on your computer. Your camera shoots in Jpg, Raw or both at the same time. Tiff and Jpg and PSD is how you save the file.

Files saved as Tiff retain all the editing you have done. Jpgs do not.

Some cameras do have the capability to output in tiff.

RICHARD46 Loc: New Jersey

Easyrider wrote:

What's the better file over JPEG Raw or TIFF

Rich

I want to thank everyone on replying to my question Raw or Tiff.
you guys and gals are great.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone eat a lot of turkey

FredB Loc: A little below the Mason-Dixon line.

Wendy2 wrote:

Files saved as Tiff retain all the editing you have done. Jpgs do not.

This is an unclear statement. I think you have TIFF confused with raw. Raw files will ALWAYS remain "unchanged", as any changes to them are reflected only in the resultant non-raw output file, and edits to the raw file are kept in a separate file, sometimes called a sidecar. Whether you save an edited raw as TIFF or JPEG to reflect the changes makes no difference to the raw file itself.

It's easiest to simply think of the raw file as your undeveloped strip of film, just like in the old days. You run it through the developer and fixer and all that junk, and then you make a PRINT from it. The plastic strip of film that came out of your camera is not changed, per se. (Yeah, I know, in reality it is altered, but for my purposes of illustration, if you just think of raw as your strip of film, it's easier to visualize the difference between raw and JPEG or TIFF.

If you get a JPEG or TIFF straight out of your camera, it's like a Polaroid vs developed film.

Wahawk Loc: NE IA

Easyrider wrote:

So shoot in raw and save it in tiff over jpeg if it's an important file
Did I get it right?

Rich

It all depends on who you ask. There are many professional photographers that only shoot JPG+Fine. Others shoot RAW + JPG

It is a matter of personal preference and how well you manage the original exposure.

Wahawk Loc: NE IA

Alfresco wrote:

Too much data is lost in compression with JPEG.

Not if you use JPG+Fine and then in the PostProcessing software do the "SaveAs" with JPG set to MINIMUM compression/MAXIMUM quality.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

Wahawk wrote:

Not if you use JPG+Fine and then in the PostProcessing software do the "SaveAs" with JPG set to MINIMUM compression/MAXIMUM quality.

BUT... the camera actually always shoots raw, then converts to JPG in camera, so even doing the PP in minimal compression JPG, you may have already lost much of the benefits that raw afforded you in tonal range and detail due to the compression in the conversion to JPG in camera.

For example, a raw NEF from my D7100 is roughly 30 MB in size, a JPG FINE with minimal compression is 11 MB, 6 MB with normal compression, either that is still quite a bit of compression, OR, and I suspect this is the case, it is quite a bit of details thrown away that is gone forever before it ever gets to any post processing.

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

Easyrider wrote:

What's the better file over JPEG Raw or TIFF

Rich

I think you are joking. The question does not even make sense. However, the print-shop that makes my prints tells me, "As long as you provide me TIFF files in the aRGB color space, we will never have a problem with color." That must mean something.

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I did not know that some cameras let you store in the TIFF format, when I first responded. Is that what you are talking about? I don't understand why a camera would even offer that kind of in-camera processing? Someone please educate me.

emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun

Wendy2 wrote:

Your camera does not shoot in Tiff. That is what you do to it after you view it on your computer. Your camera shoots in Jpg, Raw or both at the same time. You save the file in Tiff, Jpg or PSD after editing it.

Files saved as Tiff retain all the editing you have done. Jpgs do not.

Excellent answer...straight to the point.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

Wendy2 wrote:

Your camera does not shoot in Tiff. That is what you do to it after you view it on your computer. Your camera shoots in Jpg, Raw or both at the same time. You save the file in Tiff, Jpg or PSD after editing it.

Files saved as Tiff retain all the editing you have done. Jpgs do not.

What editing would a TIFF retain that a JPG would not?

Leitz Loc: Solms

Davethehiker wrote:

I think you are joking. The question does not even... (show quote)

You can shoot TIFF with the Nikon Df, for one, but only 8 bit, as with JPEG. For many, I suppose that is adequate. (Now you are more educated on this than I! :lol: )

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

Leitz wrote:

You can shoot TIFF with the Nikon Df, for one, but only 8 bit, as with JPEG. For many, I suppose that is adequate. (Now you are more educated on this than I! :lol: )

Thanks. Now I know.

Wendy2 Loc: California

GoofyNewfie wrote:

Some cameras do have the capability to output in tiff.

Really!? Wow, did not know that!

SonyA580 Loc: FL in the winter & MN in the summer

Easyrider wrote:

so can you shoot in tiff and then convert to JPEG vs raw to jpeg

Most cameras give you a choice of RAW, .jpg or, RAW & jpg. Converting, or saving, to .tif would be done with a post processing computer program. I'm not aware of any cameras that actually shoot in .tif .

Leitz Loc: Solms

SonyA580 wrote:

Most cameras give you a choice of RAW, .jpg or, RAW & jpg. Converting, or saving, to .tif would be done with a post processing computer program. I'm not aware of any cameras that actually shoot in .tif .

Didn't read the replies, did you?

RICHARD46 Loc: New Jersey

Sorry for all the confusion with my dumb question.
What I really meant to say if you shoot in raw and then edit the file to print later is it best to save in tiff or jpeg.