BigBear Loc: Northern CT

I do a lot of sub-contracting in my job. As far as I see it, the comedian has hired you to take pics so he owns them and should be informed of the facility owners request and should be the comedian's decision what photos go where.

RTR Loc: West Central Alabama

My view exactly.

Dheaton Loc: Boulder, Utah

Correction, the comedian does not own the images. He owns the right to use the images, according to a contract. The copyright stays with the creator unless signed away. Going to court over it is a different story.

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

This option satisfies his request. You do not have to inform him that prints delivered will not be usable for publication. He can always purchase usable prints from you.

Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.

As a wedding photographer Some times it paid me to give an 8x10 to other busness groups, they in turn would send me customers. Even travel agents sent me brides. Some I gave a 20 x 30 frame of about 24 photos. All of the same wedding so they wouldnt think I was picking out the best from all the weddings I did. Somthing alot of guys do. I would also send them customers. Some I would slip them a twenty. Its called networking. It better than putting an add in the paper. I did that one time and all I got was a call from a guy that wanted to make a sign for the side of my car.

BGenie Loc: Sacramento, CA

Removed my post and sent PM instead...

brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky

I honestly don't know the best way to approach it, but my advice would be to get it resolved before the shoot.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Thanks to everyone for the great advice on what to do about the club owner who demanded a copy of all the pictures I will be taking. Every time I have ever had posed such a question the embers of UHH have really helped me out.

mark8ter

While there are several interesting and valuable pieces of advice provided: to best serve you, I'd suggest another perspective. Inasmuch as the primary subject of your shoot is the comedian, views of the club itself are questionable. If the owner is trying to build a gallery of his entertainers, here is an opportunity to establish an account for yourself. Tell him you will gladly provide the pictures requested of your current client in exchange for being the official and exclusive club photographer. Now the owner becomes your salesman, (as well as the strongest recommendation you can obtain) his efforts represent his payment and of course you gain the additional benefits of getting every new comedian as an immediate and hopefully long term client. One of them might even become famous and take you along on the journey to the heights as their (good luck) magic image maker. I've had client's tell me they got the bulk of their work from my photos. Isn't superstition wonderful? That's what I would call a win-win situation.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Mark: Thanks for your advice. Normally it would be a good way to handle it, but the club owner has hired several photographers for the event. I am the photographer for one of the performers, a comedian.

Bobb Loc: Wellsboro, PA

As usual, everybody is what-if-ing this and what if that. Charge the comic your usual fee. Trade the club owner a night of drinks for the prints. Forget the what-ifs.

The chances of the comic becoming famous are about 1 in 25,000. The chances of your photos making anything for the club owner are about the same.

WHAT IF, you trade drinks for prints, club owner displays prints, some rich S.O.B. sees prints, likes quality, asks owner who took pics, calls you to photog all of his 10 daughters weddings, his company advertising, photos for the company calander, etc etc etc on on on...

DAMN WHAT IF...OR MAYBE IF..

Good luck, go with your gut. :thumbup: :P :thumbup:

BGenie Loc: Sacramento, CA

WHAT IF PNagy isn't an alcoholic and would rather be paid a couple hundred bucks or network for more clients in exchange for his prints then get plastered for an evening?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Peter Nagy does not even drink, because he would rather preserve his two or three brain cells. I appreciate all of you who have responded to my issue. This kind of situation makes belonging to UHH worthwhile. Thanks to all who weighed in on my issue.

Bobb Loc: Wellsboro, PA

Can ask club owner for a couple hundred bucks. Club owner can say F-YOU

A night out does not require one to be, nor does it make one an alcoholic.

If it's a decent or better club, and the photoger takes his/her wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/sister/brother/cousin/inlaw/outlaw,or in other words another person, cover/drinks/snacks/tips would equal or exceed a couple hundred bucks value.

And maybe, just maybe, "what if" maybe there are people who put a value on having fun. What a concept....

If he/she happens to be an alcoholic, or even an above average social drinker he/she and date could by far exceeded a couple hundred bucks.

Jeeeeze, mention a drink and some liberal screams alcoholic. Who knows, club owner might also barter ass, grass, or coke instead of booze or cash.

Network for clients???? Ahhhh, what network??? CBS NBC FOX??? What the heck does network for clients mean?

Cash is nice, but you gotta pay all those damn tax kinda thingees. :roll: :lol: :!: :!:

Personally, I've worked a lot for cash, but have also bartered/traded/exchanged services, went with, and go with whatever I feel good about. Even photoged a couple weddings for free. Poor kids, from poor families, nice folks all, got damn nice wedding pictures/prints/ even gave them the negatives.

Dun1 Loc: Atlanta, GA

In the event you do decide to take the owner up on the offer, you can make him a copy of some of the better shots, and as previously said offer him framed or prints to display on his wall of fame. I would not give up the right to sell, distribute, or editorial control over your work. You can give him rights that specifically control how the work can be used by him or his club. Of course you will want to either water mark the photos, regardless of whether or not you offer the photos to him