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Oct 6, 2014 21:02:54   #
Tpharm Loc: Central PA
 
I took the plunge starting Sept 1st and now shoot fine jpg and raw mostly because what I read on UHH. I find it's easier editing raw using PSE 11 and getting, I think, better results, as you folks said. Now, can I send NEFs over the web or change them to jpgs; if so, how do I do that? Thanks in advance for any help. Added info-- the NEF files are edited?

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Oct 6, 2014 21:05:12   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
First, why do you want to send unedited raw files over the net? No one can view a raw file. It must be converted to an image format to be viewed.
Saving as a TIFF image will preserve best information, derived from your original raw file. JPGs are most popular, and convenient, but much smaller than a TIFF.

FAQ: What is the Difference Between Raw and JPG?
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-26507-1.html#

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Oct 6, 2014 21:33:38   #
Erik_H Loc: Denham Springs, Louisiana
 
Once you have finished your edits on PSE11, Fo to file> Save As, and select Jpeg as your file type. That way it makes a jpeg copy and you still have your original .nef file.

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Oct 6, 2014 21:34:14   #
Tpharm Loc: Central PA
 
So an edited NEF file is still a raw file? How do I change an 'improved' NEF to a JPG?

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Oct 6, 2014 21:41:45   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
Tpharm wrote:
So an edited NEF file is still a raw file? How do I change an 'improved' NEF to a JPG?
NO! a raw file is like raw milk, raw egg, and raw meat. That is what raw means: non-processed.
Once you edit (cook) it and save, it is a finished, viewable image, such as JPG, or TIFF. Your original NEF raw image remains unchanged.

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Oct 6, 2014 21:43:29   #
Tpharm Loc: Central PA
 
Erik_H wrote:
Once you have finished your edits on PSE11, Fo to file> Save As, and select Jpeg as your file type. That way it makes a jpeg copy and you still have your original .nef file.

Thank you I see now where I went wrong. I will get back in PSE editor and make jpg files.

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Oct 6, 2014 21:55:32   #
Erik_H Loc: Denham Springs, Louisiana
 
Good deal. Have fun!!

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Oct 6, 2014 22:09:42   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
No one can view a raw file. It must be converted to an image format to be viewed.

I've heard folks say this before. While I agree it's not a cooked product it's no less readable by humans than a jpg file - having never met anyone who can read the zeros and ones contained within a jpg file and describe to me the image they "see".

Every image file must be converted to something which can be displayed or printed by whatever output medium we're using but what I think you're suggesting is software like Adobe Camera Raw is converting a raw image to some other standard image format before displaying it. I don't personally know, I'm just curious about the statement. I would have thought they wouldn't waste their time with an intermediary step.

If you know the format of the image file, raw or cooked, you can write a program to read it and display the image. I did this in the mid 80's when I wrote a routine for reading the state of pixels on the screen and saving the image to a file. It was a poor excuse of an image file but it worked. I had a 2nd routine for reading the file and displaying the image.

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Oct 6, 2014 22:20:23   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
sloscheider wrote:
While I agree it's not a cooked product it's no less readable by humans than a jpg file - having never met anyone who can read the zeros and ones contained within a jpg file and describe to me the image they "see".
Your smart-aleck reply assists no one. Raw files must be converted to viewable format, such as JPG or TIFF, which can then be displayed on a monitor. No one can view a raw file directly. When I access a raw file, my program shows me a JPG thumbnail for editing purposes. No one can 'uncook' a saved JPG image or TIFF image back to a raw file. One of the purposes of this website is to educate photographers, not confuse them with semantics and poor similes.

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Oct 7, 2014 07:06:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
sloscheider wrote:
I've heard folks say this before. While I agree it's not a cooked product it's no less readable by humans than a jpg file - having never met anyone who can read the zeros and ones contained within a jpg file and describe to me the image they "see".

Have you heard about the new Nikon SuperNEF?

How do you like my sunrise shot? :D



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Oct 7, 2014 07:33:37   #
cmc65
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have you heard about the new Nikon SuperNEF?

How do you like my sunrise shot? :D


VERY good! :lol: 8-) ;-)

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Oct 7, 2014 08:30:34   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
LOL it's breathtaking

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Oct 7, 2014 08:52:09   #
steffro1 Loc: Murrells Inlet, SC
 
The part about not being able to view raw files directly isn't true. I found to my surprise that raw files can be viewed in Windows 8 Explorer. I always had to go to Bridge to view them before.

Nikonian72 wrote:
Your smart-aleck reply assists no one. Raw files must be converted to viewable format, such as JPG or TIFF, which can then be displayed on a monitor. No one can view a raw file directly. When I access a raw file, my program shows me a JPG thumbnail for editing purposes. No one can 'uncook' a saved JPG image or TIFF image back to a raw file. One of the purposes of this website is to educate photographers, not confuse them with semantics and poor similes.

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Oct 7, 2014 09:01:40   #
william48 Loc: New Philadelphia,Ohio
 
When you make an adjustment in camera raw the raw file does not change. The adjustments are tagged to the raw picture in a separate file. When you convert them to tiff or jpeg then the addon file is used to process the photo to get the results you want. The Raw file is all the information your camera gathered when you took the shot. You have to process this information to make a photo

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Oct 7, 2014 11:51:23   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have you heard about the new Nikon SuperNEF?

How do you like my sunrise shot? :D


There is a guy in the upper right corner flipping the bird. I think you should clone him out. Less distracting!

Sorry- could not resist.

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