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Oct 6, 2014 01:44:59   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
http://www.riseearth.com/2014/10/is-everything-we-know-about-nicotine.html

Make sure you get the info down near the bottom about ECigs

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Oct 6, 2014 04:32:46   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
soba1 wrote:
http://www.riseearth.com/2014/10/is-everything-we-know-about-nicotine.html

Make sure you get the info down near the bottom about ECigs


I had told my brother tonight that it is so nice to not crave for a cigarette. I gave up smoking six years ago with the help of Chantix. I now have COPD from smoking. My brother still smokes and won't give it up even after seeing what it has done to me. I carry a Oxygen tank around with me.

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Oct 6, 2014 08:19:17   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
Bangee5 wrote:
I had told my brother tonight that it is so nice to not crave for a cigarette. I gave up smoking six years ago with the help of Chantix. I now have COPD from smoking. My brother still smokes and won't give it up even after seeing what it has done to me. I carry a Oxygen tank around with me.


I stopped smoking 40 years ago glad I did my neighbor smoked and they put him on the list for a lung t***splant while he was waiting he had to use a oxygen bottle but he would remove it so he could have a cigarette.

He got 2 new lungs this summer I think he has stopped smoking but not sure.

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Oct 6, 2014 08:37:24   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
I switched to ecigs.
The main reason I posted was basically
what it said was nicotene in and of itself
was harmless.
Also upon exhale of an ecig the nicotene
stays in the system of the user.
I would still be smoking if it
were not for the ecig. I use a high end device though.
Bangee take your brother to a vape shop.
The thing is I love to smoke, glad I found a healthier alternative

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Oct 6, 2014 08:43:16   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
soba1 wrote:
I switched to ecigs.
The main reason I posted was basically
what it said was nicotene in and of itself
was harmless.
Also upon exhale of an ecig the nicotene
stays in the system of the user.
I would still be smoking if it
were not for the ecig. I use a high end device though.
Bangee take your brother to a vape shop.
The thing is I love to smoke, glad I found a healthier alternative


If your body was meant to use smoke instead of oxygen you would have a chimney on your head. :lol: :lol:

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Oct 6, 2014 11:07:09   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
soba1 wrote:
http://www.riseearth.com/2014/10/is-everything-we-know-about-nicotine.html

Make sure you get the info down near the bottom about ECigs


Hmmmmmmmm. I would employ a little healthy skepticism here. Where did the funding for this research come from?

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Oct 6, 2014 11:08:43   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
Black Bart wrote:
I stopped smoking 40 years ago glad I did my neighbor smoked and they put him on the list for a lung t***splant while he was waiting he had to use a oxygen bottle but he would remove it so he could have a cigarette.

He got 2 new lungs this summer I think he has stopped smoking but not sure.


I became a non-smoker 20+ years ago. (I'm not a quitter.)

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Oct 6, 2014 11:40:11   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
NeilL wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm. I would employ a little healthy skepticism here. Where did the funding for this research come from?


Well I can only speak from my personal experience.
About 6 months in using ecigs and I had a cold so
i went in to get a chest xray. The doc told me my lungs
had cleared up since my last chest xray.

You can bet your rear that if a study comes out villifying
ecigs, its big tobacco and big pharma.
The ecig makers of the juice the really do a good job policing themselves. Also a lot of the makers of
the juice are independents making their own way

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Oct 6, 2014 11:45:10   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
soba1 wrote:
Well I can only speak from my personal experience.
About 6 months in using ecigs and I had a cold so
i went in to get a chest xray. The doc told me my lungs
had cleared up since my last chest xray.

You can bet your rear that if a study comes out villifying
ecigs, its big tobacco and big pharma.
The ecig makers of the juice the really do a good job policing themselves. Also a lot of the makers of
the juice are independents making their own way


I agree. A lot better than inhaling the tars from the burning tobacco. I used Nicorettes to take the edge off the craving. The secret is DO NOT CHEW. Bite the gum a couple of times, park it in the cheek, then when the craving intensifies, bite again and park on the other side.

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Oct 6, 2014 12:51:34   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
NeilL wrote:
I agree. A lot better than inhaling the tars from the burning tobacco. I used Nicorettes to take the edge off the craving. The secret is DO NOT CHEW. Bite the gum a couple of times, park it in the cheek, then when the craving intensifies, bite again and park on the other side.


I tried the gum even used it on airplanes.
I just enjoy the whole ritual of smoking.
Every now and again I do crave a cigarette

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Oct 6, 2014 14:46:52   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
soba1 wrote:
I tried the gum even used it on airplanes.
I just enjoy the whole ritual of smoking.
Every now and again I do crave a cigarette


My cravings came in dreams I dreamt I had smoked for 6 months after I stopped.

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Oct 7, 2014 18:25:25   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
I was able to quit with the aid of the patch almost 20 years ago. At that time health insurance companies wouldn't cover the cost of the patch, but if you got lung cancer that was covered!

I'd call myself a recovering smoker. I sometimes remember the pleasure of that first cig with my morning coffee, but so far, despite a rancid divorce, a job loss, and the dissolution of a long term relationship I've not smoked anything. Never chewed or dipped snuff.

I used to enjoy a pipe, but while it is somewhat safer I fear it would be a gateway for me. Some folks can apparently have a cigarette occasionally, once a month in one case I knew of, but best never take that first puff.

While my x rays are clear, my doctor tells me I have some degree of COPD, but that it shouldn't progress since I no longer smoke. I can only imagine the outcome if I hadn't quit.

The article linked by the OP was very interesting. While I'd imagine that "organic" tobacco might be marginally safer, I'd guess that many of the dangerous byproducts of tobacco combustion are integral to the process itself. Tobacco as a ritual substance as used by Native Americans is probably pretty benign, as its use would be governed by ritual. As a commodity as it has been in recent times it is much more dangerous. I seem to recall reading somewhere that lung cancer was rare, until World War I "popularized" cigarettes, since they could be enjoyed during a brief lull in trench warfare, unlike pipes or cigars, which demand more time.

Therapeutic uses of nicotine? Certainly a worthy area of research, in my opinion. Let's remember that marijuana was listed in the United States Pharmacopoeia until some time in the early 20th century, and its beneficial aspects are now being explored.

The comment on self medication by psychiatric patients is probably on the mark; my ex-wife was and is manic-depressive, now called bi-polar. She smoked and still smokes, quitting every so often but then relapsing. When she was hospitalized I'd visit her and virtually all the patients were smoking. Given the inner hells so many of them endured I'd certainly can't fault them.

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Oct 7, 2014 18:33:25   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
GeorgeH wrote:
I was able to quit with the aid of the patch almost 20 years ago. At that time health insurance companies wouldn't cover the cost of the patch, but if you got lung cancer that was covered!

I'd call myself a recovering smoker. I sometimes remember the pleasure of that first cig with my morning coffee, but so far, despite a rancid divorce, a job loss, and the dissolution of a long term relationship I've not smoked anything. Never chewed or dipped snuff.

I used to enjoy a pipe, but while it is somewhat safer I fear it would be a gateway for me. Some folks can apparently have a cigarette occasionally, once a month in one case I knew of, but best never take that first puff.

While my x rays are clear, my doctor tells me I have some degree of COPD, but that it shouldn't progress since I no longer smoke. I can only imagine the outcome if I hadn't quit.

The article linked by the OP was very interesting. While I'd imagine that "organic" tobacco might be marginally safer, I'd guess that many of the dangerous byproducts of tobacco combustion are integral to the process itself. Tobacco as a ritual substance as used by Native Americans is probably pretty benign, as its use would be governed by ritual. As a commodity as it has been in recent times it is much more dangerous. I seem to recall reading somewhere that lung cancer was rare, until World War I "popularized" cigarettes, since they could be enjoyed during a brief lull in trench warfare, unlike pipes or cigars, which demand more time.

Therapeutic uses of nicotine? Certainly a worthy area of research, in my opinion. Let's remember that marijuana was listed in the United States Pharmacopoeia until some time in the early 20th century, and its beneficial aspects are now being explored.

The comment on self medication by psychiatric patients is probably on the mark; my ex-wife was and is manic-depressive, now called bi-polar. She smoked and still smokes, quitting every so often but then relapsing. When she was hospitalized I'd visit her and virtually all the patients were smoking. Given the inner hells so many of them endured I'd certainly can't fault them.
I was able to quit with the aid of the patch almos... (show quote)


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Oct 7, 2014 18:34:15   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
I had told my brother tonight that it is so nice to not crave for a cigarette. I gave up smoking six years ago with the help of Chantix. I now have COPD from smoking. My brother still smokes and won't give it up even after seeing what it has done to me. I carry a Oxygen tank around with me.


I know how you feel Bangee. Some of my friends refuse to take up photography, even though they can see how perfect I am. I just can't understand it. :roll:

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