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Sep 17, 2014 10:16:46   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
A long time ago, I shot almost exclusively in black and white. Every now and then I get the urge to see what modern photography looks like the "old way."

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Sep 17, 2014 10:25:04   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
I'm just starting to use my old AE-1 Program again in a photography class I'm taking at my local college and am using Ilford HP5+ B/W film (400 speed). Just for fun, I switched my A77 to B/W so I can practice looking at monochrome as it would be printed, but every time I have a chance to shoot, it's overcast and gloomy...not good for contrast.

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Sep 17, 2014 10:43:28   #
Zone-System-Grandpa Loc: Springfield, Ohio
 
planepics wrote:
I'm just starting to use my old AE-1 Program again in a photography class I'm taking at my local college and am using Ilford HP5+ B/W film (400 speed). Just for fun, I switched my A77 to B/W so I can practice looking at monochrome as it would be printed, but every time I have a chance to shoot, it's overcast and gloomy...not good for contrast.


Don't give up just because it's overcast and gloomy..

You can pleasantly show up your fellow classmates by simply loading your camera with a roll of B&W film, shoot the entire roll by underexposing each frame by one or 1.5 stops and then when you get into the darkroom, overdevelop the roll of film. When completed, your negatives will have boosted contrast which when projected upon printing paper and it processed too, you will be pleased to have prints having the contrast that you were hoping to see ! However, please get out of the habit of using HP5 paper as it does not allow the mid tones to be shown.. Try stepping down to a contrast grade 3 paper and you will be far more pleased, that is, if you expose your film and process it as I have suggested..
~Doug~

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Sep 17, 2014 10:44:33   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Great photos, Fred. I'm a sucker for good black and white.

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Sep 17, 2014 10:55:51   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
jaymatt wrote:
Great photos, Fred. I'm a sucker for good black and white.

Thanks, jaymatt. I'm not sure these are really "good" black and white, but I like the effect transposed from color, which really looked pretty ordinary.

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Sep 17, 2014 12:24:16   #
bigtex2000 Loc: Arlington, TX
 
Zone-System-Grandpa wrote:
Don't give up just because it's overcast and gloomy..

You can pleasantly show up your fellow classmates by simply loading your camera with a roll of B&W film, shoot the entire roll by underexposing each frame by one or 1.5 stops and then when you get into the darkroom, overdevelop the roll of film. When completed, your negatives will have boosted contrast which when projected upon printing paper and it processed too, you will be pleased to have prints having the contrast that you were hoping to see ! However, please get out of the habit of using HP5 paper as it does not allow the mid tones to be shown.. Try stepping down to a contrast grade 3 paper and you will be far more pleased, that is, if you expose your film and process it as I have suggested..
~Doug~
Don't give up just because it's overcast and gloom... (show quote)


This is what I Love about this forum.........people who actually know stuff. Great advice and not something you can just look up via Google....I don't think.

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Sep 17, 2014 13:09:29   #
Zone-System-Grandpa Loc: Springfield, Ohio
 
bigtex2000 wrote:
This is what I Love about this forum.........people who actually know stuff. Great advice and not something you can just look up via Google....I don't think.


Thanks, and I don't know about Google and the subject matter, but the advice that I've given is actually a principle with the Zone System which I had once taught in classes years ago.. Back then, I would shoot with 4"x5" and or 8"x10" sheet film ~ giving each individual sheet of film its own exposure and developing treatments, however; the same can be done with roll film if each frame in the roll is exposed the same just as would be an individual sheet of sheet film.
~Doug~

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Sep 17, 2014 13:54:11   #
bigtex2000 Loc: Arlington, TX
 
Zone-System-Grandpa wrote:
Thanks, and I don't know about Google and the subject matter, but the advice that I've given is actually a principle with the Zone System which I had once taught in classes years ago.. Back then, I would shoot with 4"x5" and or 8"x10" sheet film ~ giving each individual sheet of film its own exposure and developing treatments, however; the same can be done with roll film if each frame in the roll is exposed the same just as would be an individual sheet of sheet film.
~Doug~
Thanks, and I don't know about Google and the subj... (show quote)


This is exactly what I meant Doug....people like you, who have taught, learned, and are most important of all, willing to share that knowledge with the rest of us. Thanks for that bit of knowledge which helps to make us better at capturing the images the way we WANT to capture them.

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Sep 17, 2014 19:20:33   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
We make test prints in class and figure the best light exposure time from the samples. Our first critique session is Friday. I started a thread earlier and put a few of my first pics on it.

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Sep 17, 2014 19:22:21   #
Camshy Loc: Erie Michigan
 
Just Fred wrote:
A long time ago, I shot almost exclusively in black and white. Every now and then I get the urge to see what modern photography looks like the "old way."


Nice!

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Sep 17, 2014 19:27:31   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
I love B&W...good job!!

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Sep 17, 2014 19:59:20   #
Travesty Loc: Chicago Burbs, USA
 
All nice, but #3 for me! The lighting and contrast leads me right in... :)

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Sep 18, 2014 18:58:27   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
Looks like you've remembered how to do it!! Good work for sure! I'm a B&W fan too, love my Pentax 6x7 for B&W!
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :-D :-D

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Sep 18, 2014 19:04:49   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
Thanks, Dick. Wow, a 6x7 Pentax! You must take some incredible photos with that camera!

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Sep 18, 2014 19:15:00   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
Just Fred wrote:
Thanks, Dick. Wow, a 6x7 Pentax! You must take some incredible photos with that camera!


I've got a couple of them, used to repair them but fingers don't work good enough any more!! Yes, I love medium format B&W!! :D

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