Racmanaz wrote:
I'm not saying I'm good or bad at ether one of these skills, just commenting is all. :)
Here I step in. While the initial post was a bit awkward to say the least, yours is just as bad.
Point by point:
Racmanaz wrote:
... But, I do understand it's much easier to be lazy in those areas with digital formats and raw shooting that it handicaps us from "before the shot skills".
raw shooting is more about dynamic range and color depth than corrective PP. You are insulting every photographer that select this format because of its potential. You are cutting your own arms and legs by shooting in 'ready made' JPG. You let some engineer decide what is the best color for everything**. You can just turn your camera to full auto if you give up that control.
Racmanaz wrote:
These days there seems to be a severe apathy among lots of shooters when it comes to in camera shooting skills, it's so much easier to sit in front of the monitor and scan through 5,000 pics
There is indeed an apathy in the world of photographer ans sadly you are part of it. Your prior dismissal shows that. Now, when it comes to proper exposure, focusing and composition there is a definitive lack of training and unwillingness to learn as you point out. There are many factors at play here and if the 'ancient' folks had to learn fast due to the high cost of films and printing now this is not the case. With cameras that do everything but cook an egg there is little if any incentive to learn. You may call it laziness. I call it a cause and effect of the 'good enough' mentality. You demonstrate that 'good enough' is all you need. I am referring to your first raw comment.
Racmanaz wrote:
I learned composition so I would not have to edit or (of) crop.
Well, if you print you always need to crop to print size and plan for it. Composition is just never 'good enough' when you have to plan for different printing size. You basically plan for PP like it or not. Your "I never crop" does not wash.
To resume, you are just as wrong as the first poster. You take a SOOC* position that cannot hold to scrutiny anymore than the other who said SOOC is never 'good enough'. It is often 'good enough' and THAT is the problem.
Personally I select only the best raw SOOC for PP and second best for experimental purposes. I started to shoot exclusively in raw only a couple of years ago after experimenting the difference. I became really interested in PP nuts and bolts this year. (Dec 2013 to be exact). Both evolutions in my workflow/process made a huge difference.
I am not stating that under the cover of a 'personal opinion' but the cold observation of what is going here (UHH), other forums and 'real life'.
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* SOOC = Straight Out Of the Camera
** That is one of the major differences between manufacturers. Some believe everything should be 'warm' and other 'cold'. This is exposed time and time again when you have similar cameras from different manufacturer compared to each other. Nikon by example over saturates the reds.