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Sep 2, 2014 12:37:15   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
josephnl wrote:
A decent included manual going through the menus would be a boon...but, I guess it's too much to hope for!


It's too much to hope for ... at least for cameras coming from Japan!

TRIVIA: Many decades ago, airplane manuals were c..p. Disorganized, adulturated with sales pitch garbage. Incomplete. Poorly written. You had situations where a pilot, desperately searching for the info to deal with an emergency, found himself wading through garbage about what a splendid plane he was about to crash in. The feds then laid down guidelines and airplane operating manuals to this day are pretty good. At least those for USA-made plans. One of the very few actions by the FAA that were clearly positive.

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Sep 17, 2014 08:44:20   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I would like to add one thought to this very good question "Are Cameras Becoming Too Complicates?" Being a producer and seeing the difference between good video training or google
demos's by nice people and a manual is just to long and hard to find an answer when you really need it.
I find the demo's on different features and controls on youtube and the net are far superior.
We project that visual learning on video will take over in the next few years. This is what the experts predict. Larry Jourdan's video series on Final Cut Pro X is so easy in segments that are short in minutes to the point you need to know more about is great.
Visual will surpass print whether we like it or not.

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Sep 17, 2014 08:55:01   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Quite frankly they are as as simple as ever. Just switch to full manual and throw away the book.


MT Shooter wrote:
I, for one, always want a camera that exceeds my capabilities, otherwise I would have nothing to grow into or look forward to discovering.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Both of these are true.

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Sep 17, 2014 09:06:11   #
GeneinChi Loc: Chicago, IL
 
I have a manual for my RX 100M3 coming today. It too is 500 pages. I already know that I won't use the camera to its entire capability but I do want to know what those capabilities are!

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Sep 17, 2014 09:26:52   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
Tom Daniels wrote:

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Visual will surpass print whether we like it or not.


Photographers are essentially *visual people*, perhaps by natural selection? So, what you wrote makes perfect sense!

Regards,

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Sep 17, 2014 11:03:34   #
skiman Loc: Ventura, CA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
But... but... but...

Manual does everything the camera does in auto mode and better and so does the off camera PP so why wanting all these options???

Shall we not be learning photography's evil triumvirate instead of a camera???

I know I am going the grain but honestly if we are into photography knowing what to do manually is more important than letting some corporate engineer decide for us.

Results? Shoot raw and shoot in (or semi-)manual.

As usual you are taking an extreme view as the best solution. To me, there is a reason cameras have features and it is to give the OP the ability to get shots that they would normally have missed because of the time it would take to setup the camera in manual or the time in PP to get the desired result. If I tried to do some bracketing shots for HDR it would take soo much time too setup, it would not be enjoyable. Also, different types of shooting can use different featues of the camera that you might not use all the time. Having the ability to change my metering or auto focus from center to a larger area are great features that I am glad I have. Also the ability to set an auto ISO range, bracket at the push of a button, setup back button focus, or have two SD slots that I can change the use of (backup or raw on one and jpeg on the other) require reading the manual. I will gladly spend the money on hardware (and the time reading the manual) that can do these things instead of doing everything in full manual and missing many shots. If the camera limits hour creative potential time to upgrade.

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Sep 17, 2014 14:27:33   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Agree with you skiman.
Learn the camera AND photography. That should not bo too much for most people and will make you a better photographer



skiman wrote:
As usual you are taking an extreme view as the best solution. To me, there is a reason cameras have features and it is to give the OP the ability to get shots that they would normally have missed because of the time it would take to setup the camera in manual or the time in PP to get the desired result. If I tried to do some bracketing shots for HDR it would take soo much time too setup, it would not be enjoyable. Also, different types of shooting can use different featues of the camera that you might not use all the time. Having the ability to change my metering or auto focus from center to a larger area are great features that I am glad I have. Also the ability to set an auto ISO range, bracket at the push of a button, setup back button focus, or have two SD slots that I can change the use of (backup or raw on one and jpeg on the other) require reading the manual. I will gladly spend the money on hardware (and the time reading the manual) that can do these things instead of doing everything in full manual and missing many shots. If the camera limits hour creative potential time to upgrade.
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