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Jul 24, 2014 11:31:26   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)

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Jul 24, 2014 11:35:00   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)

Sorry, I disagree, I think we are there with our cameras to record our visions of what we see.

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Jul 24, 2014 11:37:53   #
Bob Yankle Loc: Burlington, NC
 
speters wrote:
Sorry, I disagree, I think we are there with our cameras to record our visions of what we see.


...... and I'll take it a step further ....... record visions of what we want others to see.

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Jul 24, 2014 11:48:14   #
RicknJude Loc: Quebec, Canada
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)


This is one persons opinion. You can have your own.

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Jul 24, 2014 11:50:03   #
Batman Loc: South-Central Texas
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)


I'll disagree further. We cannot rob reality, excessive Post Processing robs us of our own credibility. As my aged Grandpaw said, "You can't believe a damn thing you see anymore!"


:thumbup:

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Jul 24, 2014 11:52:18   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“we are there with our cameras to record reality.


Why did you bring a camera then?

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Jul 24, 2014 11:56:28   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Its reality on that piece of paper, or monitor, or sheet of aluminum, etc...nothing can actually record reality...reality is a myth anyway. There is only the ever changing now.

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Jul 24, 2014 12:16:18   #
Batman Loc: South-Central Texas
 
mwalsh wrote:
Its reality on that piece of paper, or monitor, or sheet of aluminum, etc...nothing can actually record reality...reality is a myth anyway. There is only the ever changing now.


Kum-bah-ya m'y Lord, kum-bah-ya...
I'd like to teach the world to sing...


:roll:

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Jul 24, 2014 12:53:41   #
SonyA580 Loc: FL in the winter & MN in the summer
 
PP alters a picture but, often times the process is used to bring the shot back to what it should have been. In other words, cover up our mistakes. Years ago we manipulated the image in the darkroom. Now we do it with computers. No big deal.

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Jul 24, 2014 13:25:34   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)


Well then the police should be knocking down my door to arrest me.

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Jul 24, 2014 13:26:26   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)

Of all the people who should have realized the difference between a photograph and the reality of the scene photographed, Griffiths should have.

And mind you, I applaud his photography and the purpose of his interpretation of reality.

But cameras do not record reality, and photographs are not the object photographed.

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Jul 24, 2014 13:31:17   #
randomeyes Loc: wilds of b.c. canada
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)




We see in three dimensions, a cameras sees in two dimensions, nothing the camera sees is "real"

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Jul 24, 2014 13:32:42   #
Picdude Loc: Ohio
 
speters wrote:
Sorry, I disagree, I think we are there with our cameras to record our visions of what we see.


:thumbup: Totally agree.

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Jul 24, 2014 13:34:42   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)


This whole discussion is moot. There is no reality, only your perception of it. Your reality is different than every one elses reality. Who is to say which one is correct. Take a look at Van Gough"s Stary Night. That's how he saw it. Who is to say he was wrong?

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Jul 24, 2014 14:19:20   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
“… we are there with our cameras to record reality. Once we start modifying that which exists, we are robbing photography of its most valuable attribute.” - Philip Jones Griffiths (1936 – 2008)

Griffiths was a photo journalist who became known for his coverage and photographs of the Vietnam War. In that context, what he stated above would be not only proper but ethical.

I am curious as to where the quote originated, and would like to be able to read it in full. Unfortunately I have been unable to find it, other than in numerous locations listing the quote, but not linking to a reference.

Do you know where the quote is from and the entire quote? Thanks 8-)

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