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Jul 17, 2014 11:51:46   #
Grammieb1 Loc: New Orleans
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I guess you'll never own a professional body then will you?!
Paying twice as much, to get half as much! What a rip-off.

Why is it that pros are only concerned with camera performance, but amateurs are only concerned with megapixels?! Hmmmmm, funny how that works.

There is so much more to a camera than just a sensor, no matter how big you print. :lol:
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Jul 17, 2014 12:20:00   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
DavidPine wrote:
OMG! SharpShooter may not sleep tonight! :)


David, thank you so much for your concern. I slept very WELL last night!
MAN, you're right though, had I seen MT's comment yesterday, I'm sure I would be so bewildered, as to not sleep a wink for a week! :lol:
When I need it, I'll let you know, as I'm sure you can prescribe an excellent home grown medicinal remedy. :lol: :lol:
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Jul 17, 2014 12:35:07   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
You mentioned you shoot abstracts and landscapes so have you pondered stitching together multiple shots to achieve resolution that neither camera could achieve with one click?

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Jul 17, 2014 13:14:21   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Funny how the Canon fanboys always have to make up excuses for their shortcomings, it just never will end. Sad really.


Yes, a highly intellectual answer! :lol:
Sad is how you faild to cover even one point.
So let me do it for you.
I use two different Custom printers on occasion. One has been custom printing since before the CibaChrome days.
I have discussed the issue of printing large, at length, on several occasions since my camera ONLY has 21mp.
Here's the consensus of several printers.
First, these are guys that own print shops and print for a living. They print BIG every day, all day. IF you where projecting on a 80x40 digital screen, you would see a difference, since the screen would be made of little squares. But once it's transferred to paper, it becomes a completely different animal.
1, BUT since it's printed on paper, first and foremost it's entirely dependent on the skills of the printer. A printer with good up-rez skills can make a large print unnoticeable.
2, The type of inkjet printer used makes a big difference as well. The more colors and nozzles(and size)also comes into play.
3, The type of paper is a factor as well. Many papers will also make a huge difference, but there again it's up to the skill of the guy printing to know what paper to use to maximize the view-ability of any file, no matter how small the file is. that's their job. And a good printer has dozens of papers of various brands in stock to be able to do so. It's what they learn by printing for 40 years! :lol:
As new cameras come out, new papers are developed to deal with those printing needs.

I apologize, that my question to you was too difficult to actually give a real answer, sorry. :lol:
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Jul 17, 2014 13:34:03   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Effate wrote:
You mentioned you shoot abstracts and landscapes so have you pondered stitching together multiple shots to achieve resolution that neither camera could achieve with one click?


Effate, that is a great idea. Or buy an old used, really cheap 4x5, just for the times you're gonna print big, get a quality scan, and it's like stitching with a Hasselblad!! :lol:
But I think its about owning a high mp camera, more than actually about photography isn't it?
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Jul 17, 2014 16:06:52   #
OonlyBonly
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I guess you'll never own a professional body then will you?!
Paying twice as much, to get half as much! What a rip-off.

Why is it that pros are only concerned with camera performance, but amateurs are only concerned with megapixels?! Hmmmmm, funny how that works.

There is so much more to a camera than just a sensor, no matter how big you print. :lol:

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Jul 17, 2014 16:41:47   #
PHW Loc: Madison, WI
 
kymarto wrote:
I've got large prints side by side shot with 12 MP (D700) and 36 MP (D800E). There is a difference, although not as much as some people might imagine. It's in the fine detail, the high-frequency stuff, something like the difference between an unsharpened file and one that has been well sharpened. There is definitely (with a good lens) another level of detail, however. Still, viewed at six feet--maybe even three feet--you would never see it.


I wonder how a comparison would look on the big motion picture screen? When I see the four picture comparison you have made it makes me want to stay with my Nikon N2020 film camera. It's hard to accept taking a step backwards in quality to become part of the digital world. I guess it is inevitable though.

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Jul 17, 2014 21:03:48   #
Tony B Loc: Perth, Western Australia
 
Rule of Thumb: Viewing distance 3x the diagonal=270 approx.

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Jul 17, 2014 21:08:04   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
amehta wrote:
As I said before, they're so close it usually doesn't matter. But now you bring up one of the use cases where there is a slight difference. Looking at DxOMark ratings, for example with the Nikon 85mm f/1.4G and Canon 85mm f/1.2L, the 5D Mark III scores a 32 while the D800E gets a 44. While that difference may not show up often, it will with prints the size you want.

Basically, couple the D800-series with the best available glass and you will get image quality in the 35mm format which cannot be beaten.
As I said before, they're so close it usually does... (show quote)


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Jul 17, 2014 21:10:22   #
Tony B Loc: Perth, Western Australia
 
DxOMark ratings are suspect. A guide maybe but not gospel.

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Jul 17, 2014 21:36:59   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Tony B wrote:
DxOMark ratings are suspect. A guide maybe but not gospel.

Why are they suspect?

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Jul 17, 2014 21:43:45   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
amehta wrote:
Why are they suspect?


Why do YOU think they are NOT?! :lol:
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Jul 17, 2014 21:45:36   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Why do YOU think they are NOT?! :lol:
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Because when I look at the ratings for a variety of lenses I have or have had, my experiences matches the ratings pretty well.

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Jul 17, 2014 22:18:08   #
Tony B Loc: Perth, Western Australia
 
I could say the opposite. After reading & researching I try before I buy.They find fantastic performances from Sigma Art lenses. I have never had a good one from the box & certainly am not interested in spending time multiple testing to find a good one at a premium price that meets DxO findings.
I stand by what I said that they do not have the monopoly on being correct. As with most reviews one tends to read & find what one wants to hear. Real life can be & is different on many occasions. That's my opinion take it or leave it-just as I do with their findings.

http://photofocus.com/2013/08/01/why-i-couldnt-care-less-what-dxomark-says-about-my-lens-or-yours/
Interesting read & point of view.

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Jul 17, 2014 22:38:39   #
PHW Loc: Madison, WI
 
PhilWissbeck wrote:
I wonder how a comparison would look on the big motion picture screen? When I see the four picture comparison you have presented it makes me think.

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