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Veteran denied motel room in Daytona Beach because he had service dog
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Jun 27, 2014 11:38:46   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Samuraiz wrote:
I wish this type of discrimination received the same amount of air time as anti-gay discrimination receives.

If this was about a same sex couple being refused service, It would be all over MSNBC, Huffpost, Mother Jones etc.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/veteran-denied-motel-room-daytona-beach-because-he/ngSWM/


"The page could not be found"

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Jun 27, 2014 11:58:04   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
diensthunds wrote:
They might if they wish, ADA laws don't require it though. There is no requirement for the Veteran (or any individual with a service dog) to ever carry any sort of documentation, identification, medical records or otherwise, nor is there any requirement for the service dog to have any sort of identification on it, vest, tags, etc. covered under HIPA as a private information matter.



I think you will find this to be not totally true, some people will fake claim to have service animals but in fact are fake some some states have change there requirements.

http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm

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Jun 27, 2014 11:58:34   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Unfortunately, just like disabled parking, disability claims and other services extended to the truly needy many, many people are buying some form of service dog marking for their pets and abusing the privilege/right for those who are aided by a service dog.

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Jun 27, 2014 11:59:36   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
Here is how you can tell a fake.

http://servicedogcentral.org/content/fake-service-dog-credentials

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Jun 27, 2014 12:31:37   #
diensthunds
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
I think you will find this to be not totally true, some people will fake claim to have service animals but in fact are fake some some states have change there requirements.

http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm


You might want to re-read through that link you just posted and take note of #6. If a state wants to make a requirement for certification and demand that an individual produce it upon request, they are violating the ADA laws. ADA is federal and federal trumps state.

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Jun 27, 2014 12:39:33   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
diensthunds wrote:
They might if they wish, ADA laws don't require it though. There is no requirement for the Veteran (or any individual with a service dog) to ever carry any sort of documentation, identification, medical records or otherwise, nor is there any requirement for the service dog to have any sort of identification on it, vest, tags, etc. The reason you see most service dogs wearing a vest is a pre-emptive attempt to stop things like this from happening, that and so that people know that the dog is working and that they shouldn't be approached and petted or played with.
Look at it this way, if you are going to require documentation of disability, what sort of documentation are you going to require? Photo id? Who issues it? What form does it follow? Is it something nation wide or left up to the states or cities or hospitals to issue? The id would have nothing more then the persons picture, and perhaps name, a statement that they are disabled and that's it. Remember ADA laws do NOT require a disabled individual to disclose what their disability is. That is covered under HIPA as a private information matter.
They might if they wish, ADA laws don't require it... (show quote)


If we were to totally follow this logic then I should be able to park in any handicap parking space and don't you dare ask me to demonstrate a legitimate need via placard or special plates. At some point the ADA, law and common sense must cross paths to deal with those abuse the system.

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Jun 27, 2014 12:42:22   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
diensthunds wrote:
You might want to re-read through that link you just posted and take note of #6. If a state wants to make a requirement for certification and demand that an individual produce it upon request, they are violating the ADA laws. ADA is federal and federal trumps state.


Federal trumps state? Don't tell Colorado and Washington that or any other state that in any form legitimizes drugs listed as illegal federally.

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Jun 27, 2014 13:48:50   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
Big Bill wrote:
"The page could not be found"


I guess the link to local news is not up forever>
Try this one.

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/26/video-hotel-desk-clerk-refuses-to-serve-veteran-and-calls-the-police-you-wont-believe-why/

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Jun 27, 2014 13:51:15   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
This is for NYC, note I'm not from the City.

http://www1.nyc.gov/nyc-resources/service/2427/service-dog-information

Guess there bad. as Effate mentioned a lot of states are taking the bad route.

And most states require you dog be tagged. In NY if it is a certified service animal there is no charge and that tag will identify the dog as a service dog.

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Jun 27, 2014 13:53:58   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 


Looks like there freeing up server space, film is down but the verbiage is there.

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Jun 27, 2014 13:56:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
crissx09 wrote:
After all this large discussion I have a question: Does a veteran carry an ID that state specifically he is disable and need the assistance of a dog..? I think with proper ID couldn't be any base for arguments like this. The hotel owner will follow the law...or else and the chance of a fake disable veteran eliminated. This simple.............What has to do Patel or Daytona Beach in this situation other than show the low biased mind of the one who mention it...?

If this person said, "A dog is a dog," no documentation would help. Anyone could print a fake ID card and buy an appropriate jacket for his dog. Look at all the people who claim to have been awarded the Medal of Honor - many more than were actually awarded.

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Jun 27, 2014 14:11:12   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
JamesCurran wrote:
There's a big difference -- in this case, the police were called in, and they immediately corrected the situation. The system worked, everyone's happy.
And in the motel owner's defense, the veteran had no obvious injury, and clearly didn't need a "seeing-eye" dog, so it reasonable for them to be skeptical when he claims to be a veteran and needs to be with a dog (that was in the car at the time). It sounds just like a guy with a pet trying to get around the "no pets allowed" rule.
There's a big difference -- in this case, the poli... (show quote)

It isn't the motel's judgement to make if the dog is a certified service animal.

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Jun 27, 2014 14:18:26   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
Samuraiz wrote:
I wish this type of discrimination received the same amount of air time as anti-gay discrimination receives.

If this was about a same sex couple being refused service, It would be all over MSNBC, Huffpost, Mother Jones etc.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/veteran-denied-motel-room-daytona-beach-because-he/ngSWM/


I know nothing about Broward County in Florida, but in most states, anyone with a psychiatric service animal with proper documentation must be accommodated. But many people buy a "service animal" vest and then try to force businesses to accommodate them. The laws require that the animal be prescribed by a mental health professional and have the proper documentation. That article appears to be gone from the website so I don't know any of the circumstances.

The veteran had the right to bring action against the motel and apparently didn't. Would he have been accommodated without the service dog? Or were they reacting to his disheveled appearance? Or to his lack of a prescription, or ability to pay, or driver's license, etc. (There are legal reasons they can reject a renter.) Since that article no longer comes up, we just can't know.

I write as a veteran and a psychologist who writes prescriptions for psychiatric service animals and emotional support dogs.

This was on the ABC station and could have been picked up by that network, probably not by the others you mention. (All kinds of copyright restrictions.) Your assumption that a same-sex couple would have generated a greater media attention would depend on the couple being willing and able to bring it out. They usually don't to avoid losing their privacy.

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Jun 27, 2014 14:40:47   #
Red Bear
 
diensthunds wrote:
Red if that's you in the picture you have then it's me that should be thanking you. I wouldn't have the benefits I have today and the services through the VA if it weren't for the Vietnam Veterans. Those vets were treated like shite when they came home. They were disrespected and spit on for doing nothing more then what their country asked of them to do. And by asked I mean many of them were TOLD to go do it. I on the other hand volunteered, I willing went to do it so others wouldn't have to. And as long as I have breath in my lungs and can form words I'll be dammed if I'm going to let somebody treat any veteran like this guy was treated.
Red if that's you in the picture you have then it'... (show quote)


diensthunds, that's really me - the photo is provided as a service to "Hoggers" that need to scare away mice and such. That is also my name and email address on my posts; I'm not "In hiding" - ever. Thank you for your kind words; most people hated us when we got back to "the world" - including my own (adoptive) mother that greeted me with "Oh, the baby killer's back." I was a volunteer, too. 3 tours, 3 TDY's, one AK round, 15 months in hospitals and 100% disability.

For instance, no left lung, so the people on here that insist that I'm a liberal should know that I don't even have all of my "left" parts! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jun 27, 2014 14:42:09   #
Red Bear
 
GeneB wrote:
You need to rethink and rewrite the last sentence. It is a huge consequence. So I am hoping you meant nothing negative by what you said.


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