Was this a worthy trade?
Jun 1, 2014 18:14:34 #
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Bowe-Bergdahl-Hagel-moved-quickly/2014/06/01/id/574443/?ns_mail_uid=12337155&ns_mail_job=1571463_06012014&promo_code=dl4qkkvp
It may seem callous but five high level terrorists for one low ranking soldier doesn't seem like a responsible trade to me. What do you folks out there think?
It may seem callous but five high level terrorists for one low ranking soldier doesn't seem like a responsible trade to me. What do you folks out there think?
Jun 1, 2014 18:44:21 #
Jun 1, 2014 18:44:51 #
Who were the boneheads who orchestrated this exchange? Can you say "Fall of the Roman Empire?" I'll never understand trading one solider for 5 high level terrorists. Believe what you want this will come bite us in a big way. It's an outrage!!
Jun 1, 2014 18:49:29 #
thought we were over there to get ones that planned the towers. what are we doing still over there.
Jun 1, 2014 18:54:43 #
Jun 1, 2014 19:06:42 #
bcheary wrote:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Bowe-Bergdahl-Hagel-moved-quickly/2014/06/01/id/574443/?ns_mail_uid=12337155&ns_mail_job=1571463_06012014&promo_code=dl4qkkvp
It may seem callous but five high level terrorists for one low ranking soldier doesn't seem like a responsible trade to me. What do you folks out there think?
It may seem callous but five high level terrorists for one low ranking soldier doesn't seem like a responsible trade to me. What do you folks out there think?
Just one more question to throw on list of WTF.
Jun 1, 2014 19:07:32 #
Old Grey Beard wrote:
Just one more question to throw on list of WTF.
Yup.
Jun 1, 2014 19:15:00 #
steveo52 wrote:
Who were the boneheads who orchestrated this exchange? Can you say "Fall of the Roman Empire?" I'll never understand trading one solider for 5 high level terrorists. Believe what you want this will come bite us in a big way. It's an outrage!!
There used to be a policy that we did not negotiate with kidnappers. I hate to see another soldier killed but the release of five high ranking terrorists has the potential to do a lot of harm to Americans both at home and abroad. It also makes us look even worse than we already do to our international partners. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. Now if we had of traded Obummer for the soldier that would have been an excellent trade.
Jun 1, 2014 19:33:43 #
bcheary wrote:
There used to be a policy that we did not negotiate with kidnappers. I hate to see another soldier killed but the release of five high ranking terrorists has the potential to do a lot of harm to Americans both at home and abroad. It also makes us look even worse than we already do to our international partners. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. Now if we had of traded Obummer for the soldier that would have been an excellent trade.
I had just watched this before I read your post.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/ted-cruz-says-hillary-clinton-deliberately-stonewalled-benghazi/
Jun 1, 2014 19:42:24 #
Old Grey Beard wrote:
I had just watched this before I read your post.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/ted-cruz-says-hillary-clinton-deliberately-stonewalled-benghazi/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/ted-cruz-says-hillary-clinton-deliberately-stonewalled-benghazi/
I think Ted nailed it. :thumbup: :thumbup:
Jun 2, 2014 01:36:03 #
I believe technically it's still an illegal deal. Congress notified 30 days in advance before a deal is struck with known terrorists. Didn't happen!! First thought the "5" were relative nobodys...not hierarchy in the Taliban. "If" we got bin-Laden...why not one of our own?
Jun 2, 2014 01:40:15 #
any of you ever heard of prisoner of war EXCHANGE. or know what that entails or required to achieve. :roll:
Guess not :roll: :roll:
Guess not :roll: :roll:
Jun 2, 2014 02:04:10 #
Sure have....have you heard the term AWOL? Which Bergdahl was when he became a pow. He walked off post and was captured. Wouldn't be surprised if given a military tribunal, court - martialed and dishonorably discharged.
Jun 2, 2014 03:09:34 #
dirtpusher wrote:
had this not happened. everybody be saying why didn't.
this so funny.
this so funny.
How true, DP! I think Obama should have let him stay over there and rot in an Afghanistan prison. Is that what you really want to hear? Nothing this president does will be ok with the fringe.
Jun 2, 2014 05:56:31 #
This is an email that's making its way around.
From one of his "fellow" soldiers": We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little "out there". Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban. . . to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don't know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don't know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his "capture". If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday.
From one of his "fellow" soldiers": We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little "out there". Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban. . . to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don't know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don't know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his "capture". If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday.
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