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May 15, 2014 12:56:43   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Behind your back with Obama's gun control

Received today in an Email and it looks legit.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:59 PM,


All you can do is shake your head.......

All lead for bullets will have to come from overseas! This move will also make the cost 100 LL (100 low lead aviation fuel) UNAFFORDABLE. Approximately 2 g of lead is added to each gallon of aviation fuel!

There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them.

obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.

Remember when obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes?

Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more.

And ponder this… There is an excellent chance that obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration.

So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done.

With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.

Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.

The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.

The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.

So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.

You can Google this if you don’t believe it, or read this article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

Long term what this means: Your investment in ammo may be your best investment. Guns will be plentiful but ammo will be another story. How does $3.75 a round (that’s for one bullet) for a 9mm work for you? Box of 50 would only cost you $187.50

Do we have a great president or not?

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May 15, 2014 17:15:23   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Behind your back with Obama's gun control

Received today in an Email and it looks legit.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:59 PM,


All you can do is shake your head.......

All lead for bullets will have to come from overseas! This move will also make the cost 100 LL (100 low lead aviation fuel) UNAFFORDABLE. Approximately 2 g of lead is added to each gallon of aviation fuel!

There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them.

obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.

Remember when obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes?

Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more.

And ponder this… There is an excellent chance that obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration.

So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done.

With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.

Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.

The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.

The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.

So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.

You can Google this if you don’t believe it, or read this article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

Long term what this means: Your investment in ammo may be your best investment. Guns will be plentiful but ammo will be another story. How does $3.75 a round (that’s for one bullet) for a 9mm work for you? Box of 50 would only cost you $187.50

Do we have a great president or not?
Behind your back with Obama's gun control br br R... (show quote)


Darn, guess you will have to just pick up a big stick next time to impress someone. Put that in your holster and see what happened to all the swagger.

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May 15, 2014 17:24:00   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Do we have a great president or not?


We sure do...imagine a world without lead poisoned children...kind of brings me to back to the days when we banned DDT and Alar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27067615

Then there's this...Crime rates decline after removing lead from gas...

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May 15, 2014 17:41:44   #
Willy Loc: Alaska
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Behind your back with Obama's gun control

Received today in an Email and it looks legit.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:59 PM,


All you can do is shake your head.......

All lead for bullets will have to come from overseas! This move will also make the cost 100 LL (100 low lead aviation fuel) UNAFFORDABLE. Approximately 2 g of lead is added to each gallon of aviation fuel!

There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them.

obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.

Remember when obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes?

Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more.

And ponder this… There is an excellent chance that obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration.

So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done.

With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.

Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.

The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.

The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.

So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.

You can Google this if you don’t believe it, or read this article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

Long term what this means: Your investment in ammo may be your best investment. Guns will be plentiful but ammo will be another story. How does $3.75 a round (that’s for one bullet) for a 9mm work for you? Box of 50 would only cost you $187.50

Do we have a great president or not?
Behind your back with Obama's gun control br br R... (show quote)




The rest of the story:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/02/rumor-check-did-obama-close-a-lead-plant-in-order-to-enact-backdoor-gun-control/

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May 15, 2014 17:43:08   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
A few problems with this article:

1. The EPA standards for lead emissions sited as the cause of this smelting plant's closure were set in 2008 under the Bush administration, not the Obama administration.

The changes were the result of a 2004 lawsuit which claimed the EPA had been remiss in its lawful charge to review lead emission standards every five years. The courts found this to be true and ordered the EPA to conduct such review. The result was the new standards that went into effect in 2008.

2. Although this closing is of the last primary smelter operated by the Doe Run Company (that is, one which smelts mined lead ore), the company will continue to operate its secondary shelters (those that process recycled lead), as will other companies within the US.

The NRA has stated that recycled lead "is the type most used by ammunitions manufacturers" and that the plant's closing should have no effect on ammunition supplies in the US.

The biggest problem with viral emails is that they too often get passed along without the least bit of effort to check the underlying facts.

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May 15, 2014 17:46:42   #
papayanirvana Loc: Kauai
 
Quote:
Received today in an Email and it looks legit.


All you can do is shake your head.......

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May 15, 2014 20:50:45   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
A few problems with this article:

1. The EPA standards for lead emissions sited as the cause of this smelting plant's closure were set in 2008 under the Bush administration, not the Obama administration.

The changes were the result of a 2004 lawsuit which claimed the EPA had been remiss in its lawful charge to review lead emission standards every five years. The courts found this to be true and ordered the EPA to conduct such review. The result was the new standards that went into effect in 2008.

2. Although this closing is of the last primary smelter operated by the Doe Run Company (that is, one which smelts mined lead ore), the company will continue to operate its secondary shelters (those that process recycled lead), as will other companies within the US.

The NRA has stated that recycled lead "is the type most used by ammunitions manufacturers" and that the plant's closing should have no effect on ammunition supplies in the US.

The biggest problem with viral emails is that they too often get passed along without the least bit of effort to check the underlying facts.
A few problems with this article: br br 1. The ... (show quote)


Thank you Jim for posting the rest of the story unfortunately you have deprived several here the opportunity to get snotty and wave their pinky in the air.

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May 15, 2014 21:05:53   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
RixPix wrote:
We sure do...imagine a world without lead poisoned children...kind of brings me to back to the days when we banned DDT and Alar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27067615

Then there's this...Crime rates decline after removing lead from gas...




You might read the article below..... Human deaths caused by DDT.......USUAL Scare tatics by the environmental nazis....

MALARIA VICTIMS: HOW ENVIRONMENTALIST BAN ON DDT CAUSED 50 MILLION DEATHS

"""http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259"""

The entire article is a long one, and I have NO doubt that you won't bother to read it.... but here is the URL and a short bit of the article...

After seven months of hearings in 1971, which produced 125 witnesses and 9,362 pages of testimony, EPA Judge Edmund Sweeney concluded that according to the evidence:

“DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man ... is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man ... [and the] use of DDT under the regulations involved here do not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife.”

But Ruckelshaus, who had never attended even a day of the EPA hearings and had never (by his own admission) read any of the transcripts of those hearings, overruled Sweeney and formally banned DDT on January 1, 1972. His decision was chiefly a consequence of his close ties to the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) and others in the green movement.

Mike

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May 15, 2014 22:10:00   #
cameraniac Loc: Huntingburg, Indiana
 
venturer9 wrote:
You might read the article below..... Human deaths caused by DDT.......USUAL Scare tatics by the environmental nazis....

MALARIA VICTIMS: HOW ENVIRONMENTALIST BAN ON DDT CAUSED 50 MILLION DEATHS

"""http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259"""

The entire article is a long one, and I have NO doubt that you won't bother to read it.... but here is the URL and a short bit of the article...

After seven months of hearings in 1971, which produced 125 witnesses and 9,362 pages of testimony, EPA Judge Edmund Sweeney concluded that according to the evidence:

“DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man ... is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man ... [and the] use of DDT under the regulations involved here do not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife.”

But Ruckelshaus, who had never attended even a day of the EPA hearings and had never (by his own admission) read any of the transcripts of those hearings, overruled Sweeney and formally banned DDT on January 1, 1972. His decision was chiefly a consequence of his close ties to the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) and others in the green movement.

Mike
You might read the article below..... Human deaths... (show quote)



Savage had it right when he said......

"Not only is liberalism a mental disorder, it is a suicidal mental disorder."

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May 16, 2014 01:18:29   #
Willy Loc: Alaska
 
venturer9 wrote:
You might read the article below..... Human deaths caused by DDT.......USUAL Scare tatics by the environmental nazis....

MALARIA VICTIMS: HOW ENVIRONMENTALIST BAN ON DDT CAUSED 50 MILLION DEATHS

"""http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259"""

The entire article is a long one, and I have NO doubt that you won't bother to read it.... but here is the URL and a short bit of the article...

After seven months of hearings in 1971, which produced 125 witnesses and 9,362 pages of testimony, EPA Judge Edmund Sweeney concluded that according to the evidence:

“DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man ... is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man ... [and the] use of DDT under the regulations involved here do not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife.”

But Ruckelshaus, who had never attended even a day of the EPA hearings and had never (by his own admission) read any of the transcripts of those hearings, overruled Sweeney and formally banned DDT on January 1, 1972. His decision was chiefly a consequence of his close ties to the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) and others in the green movement.

Mike
You might read the article below..... Human deaths... (show quote)




It's quite apparent that you didn't do your homework on DDT before posting such an inept statement.
DDT has a high potential to bioaccumulate and magnify as it moves up the food chain towards apex predators.
The class of apex predators includes humans. It is indiscriminate and it harms us all equally. It cares not if you are democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, bleating sheep, braying jackass, black, white yellow or green.


http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/ddt-ext.html

And from wikipedia: (I know, its a questionable source)
Critics claim that restricting DDT in vector control have caused unnecessary deaths due to malaria. Estimates range from hundreds of thousands,[124] to millions. Robert Gwadz of the National Institutes of Health said in 2007, "The ban on DDT may have killed 20 million children."[125] In his novel State of Fear, author Michael Crichton wrote "Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler."[126] These arguments have been dismissed as "outrageous" by former WHO scientist Socrates Litsios. May Berenbaum, University of Illinois entomologist, says, "to blame environmentalists who oppose DDT for more deaths than Hitler is worse than irresponsible."[92] Investigative journalist Adam Sarvana and others characterize this notion as a "myth" promoted principally by Roger Bate of the pro-DDT advocacy group Africa Fighting Malaria (AFM).[127][128]

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. John Quiggin and Tim Lambert wrote, "the most striking feature of the claim against Carson is the ease with which it can be refuted."[129] Carson actually devoted a page of her book to considering the relationship between DDT and malaria, warning of the evolution of DDT resistance in mosquitoes and concluding:

It is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity."

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May 16, 2014 06:01:03   #
oldintn
 
There ya go, ruin a perfectly good rant with facts. It ain't fair to do that to the just say no nuts.

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May 16, 2014 08:28:42   #
cameraniac Loc: Huntingburg, Indiana
 
Just more liberal lies.

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May 16, 2014 10:04:11   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Willy wrote:
It's quite apparent that you didn't do your homework on DDT before posting such an inept statement.
DDT has a high potential to bioaccumulate and magnify as it moves up the food chain towards apex predators.
The class of apex predators includes humans. It is indiscriminate and it harms us all equally. It cares not if you are democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, bleating sheep, braying jackass, black, white yellow or green.


http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/ddt-ext.html



And from wikipedia: (I know, its a questionable source)
Critics claim that restricting DDT in vector control have caused unnecessary deaths due to malaria. Estimates range from hundreds of thousands,[124] to millions. Robert Gwadz of the National Institutes of Health said in 2007, "The ban on DDT may have killed 20 million children."[125] In his novel State of Fear, author Michael Crichton wrote "Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler."[126] These arguments have been dismissed as "outrageous" by former WHO scientist Socrates Litsios. May Berenbaum, University of Illinois entomologist, says, "to blame environmentalists who oppose DDT for more deaths than Hitler is worse than irresponsible."[92] Investigative journalist Adam Sarvana and others characterize this notion as a "myth" promoted principally by Roger Bate of the pro-DDT advocacy group Africa Fighting Malaria (AFM).[127][128]

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. John Quiggin and Tim Lambert wrote, "the most striking feature of the claim against Carson is the ease with which it can be refuted."[129] Carson actually devoted a page of her book to considering the relationship between DDT and malaria, warning of the evolution of DDT resistance in mosquitoes and concluding:

It is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity."
It's quite apparent that you didn't do your homewo... (show quote)

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May 16, 2014 10:06:21   #
nascar27 Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
Darn, guess you will have to just pick up a big stick next time to impress someone. Put that in your holster and see what happened to all the swagger.


Hope that stick works well for you if someone breaks into your home. 8-)

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May 16, 2014 10:11:20   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Ahhhh here we are, the fighting Links are at it again..

My link is better than your link...

although I fully believe from my "Not extensive" examination of the subject that the banning of DDT has been much more detrimental to the worlds health, particularly in the backward populations...

BUT as you can read from the excerpt I cited above, the thrust of my argument here was the total ignoring of the facts and as this sentence says..""""" His decision was chiefly a consequence of his close ties to the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) and others in the green movement.""""

In other words his decision at the time was a matter of politics and probably money and not of information..

Mike

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