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May 13, 2014 07:52:27   #
davefales Loc: Virginia
 
about Benghazi. The Left learned long ago that controlling history is crucial to advancing their ideas. It looks like Eleanor Clift is attempting to steer the history of the Benghazi attack by claiming Ambassador Stevens was killed by smoke inhalation:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/eleanor-clift-ambassador-stevens-wasnt-murdered-di/

I do remember some of the earliest reporting that he died in a "safe house" fire. But it's hard to reconcile that claim with images posted on UHH that appear to show Chris Stevens still alive while being carried above a crowd of Libyans.

Notwithstanding anyone's feelings about whether there should be a select committee investigation, I think American citizens are owed a clear explanation of the exact cause of his death (without gruesome details.)

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May 13, 2014 08:01:33   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
How will you know when you have gotten one that is not partisan?

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May 13, 2014 08:04:17   #
davefales Loc: Virginia
 
ottopj wrote:
How will you know when you have gotten one that is not partisan?


Are you suggesting that you will not accept any results of the investigation?

I've certainly become increasingly skeptical about anything the government says.

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May 13, 2014 08:39:25   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
ottopj wrote:
How will you know when you have gotten one that is not partisan?


When it sounds like common sense AND when all questions are answered.

With so much fervor about what President Bush was doing for seven minutes after the 9-11 terror attack I am surprised that the Left doesn't really care what President Obama was doing while the Benghazi attack was taking place. I want to know where he was and what he was doing. Those two simple questions have yet to be answered.

What were President Obama's orders to the Generals at the time? What did he tell Hillary Clinton? Is it possible that he was notified and then made not a single phone call to find out what could be done to save the people at the embassy? It would seem like it.

Having been in Vietnam for almost 2 tours of duty with the USMC as a door gunner in a helicopter squadron I want to understand why it was said that, We don't send troops into an area without knowing the danger level (or words to that effect). That is absolute horsecrap. Many times we received calls for help from other Marines or Vietnamese troops that needed to be evacuated, whether day or night. Simply put, WE WENT. Those troops came first.

Those are just a few questions I have as a citizen and want answered. Had the President and Mrs. Clinton been honest right from the start I could accept much of what has been said. The simple truth though is neither they nor anyone else in the administration has been honest. There has been lying from this administration since the day after the attack.

Dennis

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May 13, 2014 09:39:13   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
dennis2146 wrote:
When it sounds like common sense AND when all questions are answered.

With so much fervor about what President Bush was doing for seven minutes after the 9-11 terror attack I am surprised that the Left doesn't really care what President Obama was doing while the Benghazi attack was taking place. I want to know where he was and what he was doing. Those two simple questions have yet to be answered.

What were President Obama's orders to the Generals at the time? What did he tell Hillary Clinton? Is it possible that he was notified and then made not a single phone call to find out what could be done to save the people at the embassy? It would seem like it.

Having been in Vietnam for almost 2 tours of duty with the USMC as a door gunner in a helicopter squadron I want to understand why it was said that, We don't send troops into an area without knowing the danger level (or words to that effect). That is absolute horsecrap. Many times we received calls for help from other Marines or Vietnamese troops that needed to be evacuated, whether day or night. Simply put, WE WENT. Those troops came first.

Those are just a few questions I have as a citizen and want answered. Had the President and Mrs. Clinton been honest right from the start I could accept much of what has been said. The simple truth though is neither they nor anyone else in the administration has been honest. There has been lying from this administration since the day after the attack.

Dennis
When it sounds like common sense AND when all ques... (show quote)


well put.

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May 14, 2014 08:01:36   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
The exact cause of his death is as follows:

His heart stopped!



davefales wrote:
about Benghazi. The Left learned long ago that controlling history is crucial to advancing their ideas. It looks like Eleanor Clift is attempting to steer the history of the Benghazi attack by claiming Ambassador Stevens was killed by smoke inhalation:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/eleanor-clift-ambassador-stevens-wasnt-murdered-di/

I do remember some of the earliest reporting that he died in a "safe house" fire. But it's hard to reconcile that claim with images posted on UHH that appear to show Chris Stevens still alive while being carried above a crowd of Libyans.

Notwithstanding anyone's feelings about whether there should be a select committee investigation, I think American citizens are owed a clear explanation of the exact cause of his death (without gruesome details.)
about Benghazi. The Left learned long ago that c... (show quote)

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May 14, 2014 09:23:25   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
ole sarg wrote:
The exact cause of his death is as follows:

His heart stopped!


That was absolutely brilliant sargie...

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May 14, 2014 09:42:15   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
dennis2146 wrote:
When it sounds like common sense AND when all questions are answered.

With so much fervor about what President Bush was doing for seven minutes after the 9-11 terror attack I am surprised that the Left doesn't really care what President Obama was doing while the Benghazi attack was taking place. I want to know where he was and what he was doing. Those two simple questions have yet to be answered.

What were President Obama's orders to the Generals at the time? What did he tell Hillary Clinton? Is it possible that he was notified and then made not a single phone call to find out what could be done to save the people at the embassy? It would seem like it.

Having been in Vietnam for almost 2 tours of duty with the USMC as a door gunner in a helicopter squadron I want to understand why it was said that, We don't send troops into an area without knowing the danger level (or words to that effect). That is absolute horsecrap. Many times we received calls for help from other Marines or Vietnamese troops that needed to be evacuated, whether day or night. Simply put, WE WENT. Those troops came first.

Those are just a few questions I have as a citizen and want answered. Had the President and Mrs. Clinton been honest right from the start I could accept much of what has been said. The simple truth though is neither they nor anyone else in the administration has been honest. There has been lying from this administration since the day after the attack.

Dennis
When it sounds like common sense AND when all ques... (show quote)


What you say makes sense and THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

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May 14, 2014 10:05:39   #
B-n-L Loc: Nevada
 
[quote=ole sarg]The exact cause of his death is as follows:

His heart stopped![/b

Being flip is clearly inappropriate in any circumstance such as this. All of those people died performing service to their country.
I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the questions that have been asked are easily answered, and for elected officials to refuse to answer is reprehensible .
Anyone in public service is accountable to the citizens, and that means providing answers all the time, even when the truth hurts.

Thank you

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May 14, 2014 10:08:25   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
davefales wrote:
about Benghazi. The Left learned long ago that controlling history is crucial to advancing their ideas. It looks like Eleanor Clift is attempting to steer the history of the Benghazi attack by claiming Ambassador Stevens was killed by smoke inhalation:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/eleanor-clift-ambassador-stevens-wasnt-murdered-di/

I do remember some of the earliest reporting that he died in a "safe house" fire. But it's hard to reconcile that claim with images posted on UHH that appear to show Chris Stevens still alive while being carried above a crowd of Libyans.

Notwithstanding anyone's feelings about whether there should be a select committee investigation, I think American citizens are owed a clear explanation of the exact cause of his death (without gruesome details.)
about Benghazi. The Left learned long ago that c... (show quote)


The American People deserve and should have those answers, however, the families of those killed must have those answers and deserve nothing less.

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May 14, 2014 10:16:20   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
ole sarg wrote:
The exact cause of his death is as follows:

His heart stopped!

UNBELIEVABLE

Thanks Sarge once again you have put your ignorance on display for all to see.

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May 14, 2014 10:25:17   #
FrumCA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
When it sounds like common sense AND when all questions are answered.

With so much fervor about what President Bush was doing for seven minutes after the 9-11 terror attack I am surprised that the Left doesn't really care what President Obama was doing while the Benghazi attack was taking place. I want to know where he was and what he was doing. Those two simple questions have yet to be answered.

What were President Obama's orders to the Generals at the time? What did he tell Hillary Clinton? Is it possible that he was notified and then made not a single phone call to find out what could be done to save the people at the embassy? It would seem like it.

Having been in Vietnam for almost 2 tours of duty with the USMC as a door gunner in a helicopter squadron I want to understand why it was said that, We don't send troops into an area without knowing the danger level (or words to that effect). That is absolute horsecrap. Many times we received calls for help from other Marines or Vietnamese troops that needed to be evacuated, whether day or night. Simply put, WE WENT. Those troops came first.

Those are just a few questions I have as a citizen and want answered. Had the President and Mrs. Clinton been honest right from the start I could accept much of what has been said. The simple truth though is neither they nor anyone else in the administration has been honest. There has been lying from this administration since the day after the attack.

Dennis
When it sounds like common sense AND when all ques... (show quote)

Dennis - I think your questions regarding where BHO was during the attacks and what he was doing have been answered. He was NOT in the situation room but he was supposedly in the White House where he was receiving updates while he was preparing for his fund raising trip to CA the next day.
And, by the way, he directed the joint chiefs and Sec Def to move all military assets into the region. Hmmm? Wonder why that order was disobeyed??

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May 14, 2014 11:22:55   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
FrumCA wrote:
Dennis - I think your questions regarding where BHO was during the attacks and what he was doing have been answered. He was NOT in the situation room but he was supposedly in the White House where he was receiving updates while he was preparing for his fund raising trip to CA the next day.
And, by the way, he directed the joint chiefs and Sec Def to move all military assets into the region. Hmmm? Wonder why that order was disobeyed??

Would you please identify the origins of these statements.

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May 14, 2014 12:06:54   #
FrumCA
 
Checkmate wrote:
Would you please identify the origins of these statements.

I'm having trouble posting the links but here's the relevant info 1) regarding where he was and order to move military assets into the region and 2) what he was doing:

1) Where he was/order to move military assets:
Last night on Fox News' Special Report, former National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor admitted that President Obama was not in the situation room the night of the 9/11 Benghazi attack. After making the admission, host Bret Baier followed up by asking where President Obama was that night, to which Vietor deflected and said, "In the White House." More from RCP:

BAIER: Where was the president?
VIETOR: In the White House.
BAIER: He wasn't in the Situation Room?
VIETOR: At what point in the evening?
BAIER: Any point in the evening.
VIETOR: It's well known that when the attack was first briefed to him it was in the Oval Office and he was updated constantly. And during that briefing he told Tom Donilon and his Joint Chiefs and Sec Def to begin moving all military assets into the region.
BAIER: So when Hillary Clinton talks to him at 10:00 p.m., he's where?
VIETOR: I don't know. I don't have a tracking device on him in the residence.
BAIER: But you were in the Situation Room and he wasn't there.
VIETOR: Yes, I was in the White House.
BAIER: And the president wasn't in the Situation Room?
VIETOR: Not in the room I was in. Let's just be clear. You don't have to be in the Situation Room to monitor an intelligence situation. The PDB is in the Oval Office.
[Numerous sources for this: ontownhall.com; realclearpolitics.com; and others you can Google]

2) What he was doing:
Americans have a right to know where their president was while a terrorist attack was taking place — and the daily diary will provide that information. There will be a record if Obama held a secure video teleconference (SVTC) with his military commanders in the region or even spoke with them by phone. There will be a record if he met or spoke with his national security adviser to discuss the unfolding attack, and how many times he did so. If properly kept, the logs will show precisely what Obama was doing — whether he was carefully monitoring events on the ground or was otherwise occupied.

What else might the commander in chief have been doing? There has been speculation that Obama held a campaign debate prep session as the Benghazi attack was unfolding. The White House visitors log shows that three individuals — Michael Donilon, David Ginsberg, and Ron Klain — entered the White House on September 11, 2012 for “debate prep.” The record notes “3 meet with Potus NO TIME LISTED 9/11/12.” The “President’s Daily Diary” will tell us whether the president attended this meeting and what time it took place.
[Source: Washington Post Opinions, May 12. Note: I need to correct my OP about BHO preparing for a trip to CA. I meant to say he was evidently preparing for a debate as noted above]

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May 14, 2014 12:11:56   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Blame, cover-up, lies.

They are democRATs, do you expect less?

Their crocodile tears make one thing very evident, they thought Ambassador Stevens, et al, were expendable.



So typical in their scheme of things.

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