Toyota moving to Texas while California whistles by the graveyard. Expect to see more of this.
May 7, 2014
Toyota to California: 'Don't Mess with Texas'
By Gary Jason
Score a rather remarkable win for Texas in the business recruitment game: Toyota has announced that it is moving its California-based national headquarters to Texas.
This is a considerable deal. Toyota has had its U.S. headquarters and marketing operations based in Torrance, California (a suburb of LA) for almost 60 years time enough to witness Californias descent into a neo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. Toyota will be moving its division to a location in Plano, a northern suburb of Dallas.
The company will create a campus there that will have a consolidated workforce of 4,000, with employees from Toyotas marketing, sales, and manufacturing operations along with its financial division now scattered around the country.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry gave a Rebel yell at the news, crowing, Toyota understands that Texas employer-friendly combination of low taxes, fair courts, smart regulations and world-class workforce can help businesses of any size succeed and thrive. By fair courts, of course, Perry was alluding to the fact that Texas has a loser-pay civil court system. He didnt mention that Texas is also a right-to-work state.
Nor did Perry mention the taxpayer sugar he provided to the company to lure it to make the move. The Texas enterprise fund is giving the company $40 million. Considering that Texas will gain 4,000 jobs, this works out to be a one-time $10,000-per-job incentive. But then, California lavishes subsidies on its favorite businesses, too most notoriously, the entertainment industry.
California, in turn, will lose upwards of 3,000 high-paying jobs. The company will allow its California employees who face different positions in the reorganized marketing organization to apply for opportunities in the new marketing division, or in other divisions such as Toyota Financial Services. Any employee who doesnt want to move to Texas or cant find a new position there will be given a severance package.
Losing big companies is nothing new for California, naturally, nor is losing Japanese auto company headquarters. Nissan Motors moved its North American headquarters from California to Tennessee a few years back, and Honda though it denies that it is contemplating relocation has moved some of its high-level management to Ohio. Moreover, Texas has already gotten about 1,700 Chevron jobs switched to Houston, and 3,600 Apple jobs switched to Austin the home of the main campus of the University of Texas, and Texass answer to Silicon Valley. (In fact, Texas surpassed California as the top exporter of high-tech products two years ago).
The reasons for Toyotas move are open for speculation. The CEO of Toyotas North American operations, Jim Lentz, claimed that the move had nothing to do with Californias notoriously bad business climate recently ranked 48th (that is, third-worst in the nation, for sociology majors) by the Tax Foundation. No, the places Toyota looked at to relocate Atlanta, Charlotte, Denver, and Plano were all closer to Toyotas large manufacturing plants, but not in any of the states in which Toyota had divisional headquarters (namely, Michigan, Kentucky, and California).
This doesnt pass the laugh test. Lentz himself cited Texass business-friendly climate, and there is the fact that Texas has no personal income tax (which in California goes as high a 13%).
And the same WSJ piece reports that people familiar with the search for the new U.S. headquarters that is, actual Toyota execs under no pressure to be politically correct mentioned some obvious criteria. The new site had to be near a major airport, be nowhere near Detroit (the poster child for progressive bad governance), have affordable housing, and have decent public schools.
Lets suppose that the average mid-level Toyota exec earns $150,000 annually. In California, he or she immediately pays fifteen grand in state income taxes. In Plano, the employee pays zero income tax. That is fifteen grand more to spend on vacations, a good car, sending the kids to private school whatever.
And remember that California, being ruled by the jackboots in the teachers' unions, offers that employee nearly the worst public schools in the nation, while Texas has better than average schools.
Of crucial importance is housing, at least to employees with families (as opposed to the pets-only swinging singles who flock to Frisco). That mid-level exec can afford a home of maybe $300,000 to $600,000, if he or she cuts down on all other expenses. Do a Trulia search for single-family homes in Torrance of 2,500 square feet or more in that price range, and you get one house an unattractive bungalow built over 60 years ago. Do a Trulia search using the same criteria in Plano, and you get over 400 homes, most very recent and of gorgeous construction. California makes building homes ever more costly. Texas doesnt. But then, we have all the billionaire environmentalist neo-pagans, and Texas doesnt.
The reaction of the California politicians was interesting. Certainly, poor Frank Scotto, Mayor of Torrance, was stunned. He has the unenviable task of trying to find some business to occupy the 101-acre campus in which Toyota now houses its headquarters. He said about the news of the companys move, It was a shock. We didnt realize the magnitude of what it was. The mayor is now putting out talking points under the novel slogan TORRANCE IS A BUSINESS-FRIENDLY CITY.
Alas, Mayor, even if that were so, your burg is still located in a viciously business-hostile state.
On the other hand, Gov. Jerry Brown yes, the now geriatric Gov. Moonbeam of the 1970s and '80s simply dismissed the news, hubristically averring that [w]eve got a few problems, we have lots of little burdens and regulations and taxes, but smart people figure out how to make it.
So theres our explanation for Toyotas move: the Toyota people are just stupid!
The LA Times, the voice of the progressive left in Southern California, echoed Browns ludicrous line in a piece trying to show that the Toyota move had nothing to do with bad business conditions in California.
But if anyone is obtuse here, it is Governor Moonbeam and the LAT. He is the one who gave the public employees the right to unionize, knowing that their dues would flow to his party. In the three decades since, pay and pension benefits for public-sector workers have ballooned, and the state faces an unfunded pension liability of upwards of $500 billion. Moonbeam is the one who refused to build any new freeways, leading to the endless traffic gridlock workers must endure. He has generally pushed an extreme environmentalist agenda that has made water and inexpensive housing scarce, and it is he who will be driving the cost of electricity through the roof over the next few years.
"eo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. "
You ever been here, or is this just your Rust Bucket opinion?
"eo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. "
You ever been here, or is this just your Rust Bucket opinion?
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
"eo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. "
You ever been here, or is this just your Rust Bucket opinion?
I have lived in California three times. North to south. It has become a cesspool and is a microcosm of practically everything that is wrong with this country. It is headed for destruction and bankruptcy. If you do not realize that then you are really more stupid than even you appear.
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
"eo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. "
You ever been here, or is this just your Rust Bucket opinion?
And it apparently is also the opinion of Toyota. You just lost 4,000 good paying jobs sucka.
SBW wrote:
Toyota moving to Texas while California whistles by the graveyard. Expect to see more of this.
Looks like Kalifornia just lost more jobs than Obama created in his entire life. Lol
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
"eo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. "
You ever been here, or is this just your Rust Bucket opinion?
It's a GREAT place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Toyota is not the first to leave that beautiful but expensive state. Mission Aviation Fellowship had their headquarters in California for years, but again, because of expenses, felt that they needed to relocate about ten years ago. They're now in Idaho. As a missionary organization with tight budgets, they probably felt the need to leave earlier than corporations would, but it's my guess that more will follow Toyota. California will need to become more business friendly if it wants to maintain the business it has. It needs to go red.
One more person leaves, it's one less car on the Freeway.
Thanks all!
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
One more person leaves, it's one less car on the Freeway.
Thanks all!
Good try, but still whistling by the graveyard. When the day comes and it is not that far away when your output exceeds your input (spending exceeds taxes and other revenue) you will long for those halcyon days of more people on the freeway.
Maybe California should tax the beaches.
jcs wrote:
Looks like Kalifornia just lost more jobs than Obama created in his entire life. Lol
Obama never created any jobs. :cry:
TrainNut wrote:
Obama never created any jobs.
well , he hired at least a dozen Lawyers whose full time job is to make sure nobody can find out who he really is . lol
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
"eo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. "
You ever been here, or is this just your Rust Bucket opinion?
I've lived here for my whole life and it has gone
from being " The Golden State " to being just another
liberal cess pool of high taxes and excess regulation.
California's path
SBW wrote:
Toyota moving to Texas while California whistles by the graveyard. Expect to see more of this.
May 7, 2014
Toyota to California: 'Don't Mess with Texas'
By Gary Jason
Score a rather remarkable win for Texas in the business recruitment game: Toyota has announced that it is moving its California-based national headquarters to Texas.
This is a considerable deal. Toyota has had its U.S. headquarters and marketing operations based in Torrance, California (a suburb of LA) for almost 60 years time enough to witness Californias descent into a neo-socialist hell of high income taxes, high property taxes, high sales taxes, high regulations, and high home prices, all combined with breathtakingly bad government services. Toyota will be moving its division to a location in Plano, a northern suburb of Dallas.
The company will create a campus there that will have a consolidated workforce of 4,000, with employees from Toyotas marketing, sales, and manufacturing operations along with its financial division now scattered around the country.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry gave a Rebel yell at the news, crowing, Toyota understands that Texas employer-friendly combination of low taxes, fair courts, smart regulations and world-class workforce can help businesses of any size succeed and thrive. By fair courts, of course, Perry was alluding to the fact that Texas has a loser-pay civil court system. He didnt mention that Texas is also a right-to-work state.
Nor did Perry mention the taxpayer sugar he provided to the company to lure it to make the move. The Texas enterprise fund is giving the company $40 million. Considering that Texas will gain 4,000 jobs, this works out to be a one-time $10,000-per-job incentive. But then, California lavishes subsidies on its favorite businesses, too most notoriously, the entertainment industry.
California, in turn, will lose upwards of 3,000 high-paying jobs. The company will allow its California employees who face different positions in the reorganized marketing organization to apply for opportunities in the new marketing division, or in other divisions such as Toyota Financial Services. Any employee who doesnt want to move to Texas or cant find a new position there will be given a severance package.
Losing big companies is nothing new for California, naturally, nor is losing Japanese auto company headquarters. Nissan Motors moved its North American headquarters from California to Tennessee a few years back, and Honda though it denies that it is contemplating relocation has moved some of its high-level management to Ohio. Moreover, Texas has already gotten about 1,700 Chevron jobs switched to Houston, and 3,600 Apple jobs switched to Austin the home of the main campus of the University of Texas, and Texass answer to Silicon Valley. (In fact, Texas surpassed California as the top exporter of high-tech products two years ago).
The reasons for Toyotas move are open for speculation. The CEO of Toyotas North American operations, Jim Lentz, claimed that the move had nothing to do with Californias notoriously bad business climate recently ranked 48th (that is, third-worst in the nation, for sociology majors) by the Tax Foundation. No, the places Toyota looked at to relocate Atlanta, Charlotte, Denver, and Plano were all closer to Toyotas large manufacturing plants, but not in any of the states in which Toyota had divisional headquarters (namely, Michigan, Kentucky, and California).
This doesnt pass the laugh test. Lentz himself cited Texass business-friendly climate, and there is the fact that Texas has no personal income tax (which in California goes as high a 13%).
And the same WSJ piece reports that people familiar with the search for the new U.S. headquarters that is, actual Toyota execs under no pressure to be politically correct mentioned some obvious criteria. The new site had to be near a major airport, be nowhere near Detroit (the poster child for progressive bad governance), have affordable housing, and have decent public schools.
Lets suppose that the average mid-level Toyota exec earns $150,000 annually. In California, he or she immediately pays fifteen grand in state income taxes. In Plano, the employee pays zero income tax. That is fifteen grand more to spend on vacations, a good car, sending the kids to private school whatever.
And remember that California, being ruled by the jackboots in the teachers' unions, offers that employee nearly the worst public schools in the nation, while Texas has better than average schools.
Of crucial importance is housing, at least to employees with families (as opposed to the pets-only swinging singles who flock to Frisco). That mid-level exec can afford a home of maybe $300,000 to $600,000, if he or she cuts down on all other expenses. Do a Trulia search for single-family homes in Torrance of 2,500 square feet or more in that price range, and you get one house an unattractive bungalow built over 60 years ago. Do a Trulia search using the same criteria in Plano, and you get over 400 homes, most very recent and of gorgeous construction. California makes building homes ever more costly. Texas doesnt. But then, we have all the billionaire environmentalist neo-pagans, and Texas doesnt.
The reaction of the California politicians was interesting. Certainly, poor Frank Scotto, Mayor of Torrance, was stunned. He has the unenviable task of trying to find some business to occupy the 101-acre campus in which Toyota now houses its headquarters. He said about the news of the companys move, It was a shock. We didnt realize the magnitude of what it was. The mayor is now putting out talking points under the novel slogan TORRANCE IS A BUSINESS-FRIENDLY CITY.
Alas, Mayor, even if that were so, your burg is still located in a viciously business-hostile state.
On the other hand, Gov. Jerry Brown yes, the now geriatric Gov. Moonbeam of the 1970s and '80s simply dismissed the news, hubristically averring that [w]eve got a few problems, we have lots of little burdens and regulations and taxes, but smart people figure out how to make it.
So theres our explanation for Toyotas move: the Toyota people are just stupid!
The LA Times, the voice of the progressive left in Southern California, echoed Browns ludicrous line in a piece trying to show that the Toyota move had nothing to do with bad business conditions in California.
But if anyone is obtuse here, it is Governor Moonbeam and the LAT. He is the one who gave the public employees the right to unionize, knowing that their dues would flow to his party. In the three decades since, pay and pension benefits for public-sector workers have ballooned, and the state faces an unfunded pension liability of upwards of $500 billion. Moonbeam is the one who refused to build any new freeways, leading to the endless traffic gridlock workers must endure. He has generally pushed an extreme environmentalist agenda that has made water and inexpensive housing scarce, and it is he who will be driving the cost of electricity through the roof over the next few years.
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Think Toyota will have another recall when they realize that Perry will change the tax platform as he leaves Austin
shortly. State income tax, changing sales tax plans and eliminating corporate tax loopholes.
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