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Jan 13, 2012 13:20:27   #
HOHIMER
 
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Focus stacking is a series of images made at different depth points in the image. In order to do this properly you need a focusing rail that can move your camera forward at set intervals. The correct way to do this is not to change the focusing of the lens, you have to literally move the camera forward slowly and make exposures as the camera is moved. Changing the focusing of the lens changes the perspective of the subject and the end result is not sharp. This has to be done on a focusing rail. There are videos on youtube that explain the process. Look for focus stacking on a focusing rail. You dont change the focusing of the camera, you have to move the entire camera forward bit by bit until you cover the depth of the item you want to photograph keeping the focusing of the camera untouched. Here is a video on the correct way to do focus stacking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf7ABBqd0bw&feature=related One last thing, you can not have your camera set to auto focusing it must be in the manual setting. This is the only way to do focus stacking properly. I would recommend the Novoflex castel-l focusing rail, you can find these used on ebay for a good price. They are a little expensive but its a great rail. The stacking is done in photo merge in photoshop and there are videos about this also.[/quote]
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Silver.
How do you think the focusing rail might work on the 9 foot length proposed above?

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Jan 13, 2012 13:32:04   #
melphoto60
 
photogrl57 wrote:
I tried every f/stop available.
no I didn't change the metering mode... does that affect the focus ?
I don't have a macro lens so I'm using the 28-105 zoomed out. I even tried with my 100-400 but that wouldn't focus at all ... way too close.
This is a frustrating experiment lol ... but I'm determined to get it


gavin hoey has a youtube video on focus stacking, seems to me you would have six shots to stack...you can also try focusing abt half way into the sceen and then use either f8-f16, check depth of field preview it will be diffecult to see if everything is in focus because view finder will get dark, if your camera has live view this part might be easier to see.

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Jan 13, 2012 13:42:22   #
photogrl57 Loc: Tennessee
 
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping me understand the concept.... I was adjusting the f/stop thinking that was the way .. but no it was the focal length.
I cannot sing y'all's praises enough for getting me past my blonde moment .....
I totally understand now and here is my very first success. YAY
This is straight out of the camera .. no editing except for the stacking in photoshop ... and resizing it was huge.
I am soooooo happy :)
Except I so need to clean my dusty lens LOL

this was made from 5 photos
this was made from 5 photos...

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Jan 13, 2012 13:53:28   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
photogrl57 wrote:
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping me understand the concept.... I was adjusting the f/stop thinking that was the way .. but no it was the focal length.
I cannot sing y'all's praises enough for getting me past my blonde moment .....
I totally understand now and here is my very first success. YAY
This is straight out of the camera .. no editing except for the stacking in photoshop ... and resizing it was huge.
I am soooooo happy :)
Except I so need to clean my dusty lens LOL
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping m... (show quote)
You did good, Queeny. I especially love those bolts and strap. They make the picture! Lol.

But here is the sad part: I can do that In one shot. lol. You know that I am just messing with you. You set out to accomplish something, and you did it. Yay! Now then, you need to go out into the neighbourhood and find a nice, long Boa Constrictor that some one turned loose and try this technique on it. You may have to take more than 5 photos though.

Seriously, how much time did you spend in pp?

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Jan 13, 2012 14:07:59   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
I agree the frame seems to be full of items or you are just to close, maybe try a different angle. Best of luck


Dria wrote:
I believe your arrangement of items are too close together to get the effect.. I wonder if the depth of field calculator would help

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Jan 13, 2012 14:09:43   #
lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland
 
silver wrote:
photogrl57 wrote:
I have been trying all day to get an experiment done with no luck at all ....
I am trying to do some focus stacking and no matter what I do I can't seem to get the focus to change to different parts of the scene.
I can either get the front in focus or the whole thing in focus (which is normally what I would want right LOL)
I want to get the flower and leaves in one part then the spiky things in another part and the evergreen in another part ....
I guess I'm not grasping the concept.
I have the camera on aperture priority because it's the f/stop that is supposed to change
I have taken about a hundred photos of this today with the camera on every manual setting available including completely manual and still no luck
Can somebody explain to me how to go about this ?
I have been trying all day to get an experiment do... (show quote)


Focus stacking is a series of images made at different depth points in the image. In order to do this properly you need a focusing rail that can move your camera forward at set intervals. The correct way to do this is not to change the focusing of the lens, you have to literally move the camera forward slowly and make exposures as the camera is moved. Changing the focusing of the lens changes the perspective of the subject and the end result is not sharp. This has to be done on a focusing rail. There are videos on youtube that explain the process. Look for focus stacking on a focusing rail. You dont change the focusing of the camera, you have to move the entire camera forward bit by bit until you cover the depth of the item you want to photograph keeping the focusing of the camera untouched. Here is a video on the correct way to do focus stacking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf7ABBqd0bw&feature=related One last thing, you can not have your camera set to auto focusing it must be in the manual setting. This is the only way to do focus stacking properly. I would recommend the Novoflex castel-l focusing rail, you can find these used on ebay for a good price. They are a little expensive but its a great rail. The stacking is done in photo merge in photoshop and there are videos about this also.
quote=photogrl57 I have been trying all day to ge... (show quote)


This information is partially correct. Ideally focus stacking is done with a rail because continuously refocusing the lens does change perspective. That said, better than acceptable results can be done by creating slices by changing lens focus without moving the camera. I can tell you, from personal experimentation, that Zerene Stacker does a faster and generally superior job to Photoshop.

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Jan 13, 2012 14:42:58   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
This article is good and shows that your successive focus for the next picture has to be within the first or last third of your initial dof. Now there is the software question. Can it recognize the focus order or not? That maybe of interest to know.

(some panoramic software want ordered picture to work, other - more sophisticated - do not) I assume here that the same exist for stacking software.

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Jan 13, 2012 15:24:22   #
photogrl57 Loc: Tennessee
 
tainkc wrote:
photogrl57 wrote:
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping me understand the concept.... I was adjusting the f/stop thinking that was the way .. but no it was the focal length.
I cannot sing y'all's praises enough for getting me past my blonde moment .....
I totally understand now and here is my very first success. YAY
This is straight out of the camera .. no editing except for the stacking in photoshop ... and resizing it was huge.
I am soooooo happy :)
Except I so need to clean my dusty lens LOL
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping m... (show quote)
You did good, Queeny. I especially love those bolts and strap. They make the picture! Lol.

But here is the sad part: I can do that In one shot. lol. You know that I am just messing with you. You set out to accomplish something, and you did it. Yay! Now then, you need to go out into the neighbourhood and find a nice, long Boa Constrictor that some one turned loose and try this technique on it. You may have to take more than 5 photos though.

Seriously, how much time did you spend in pp?
quote=photogrl57 You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank... (show quote)


none really .... I sent them from bridge to photomerge ... unchecked the merge feature ... then once it was all in photoshop in the same file I selected them all and in the edit menu had them align and thats it .... no other pp was done. took maybe a minute

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Jan 13, 2012 15:30:35   #
iresq Loc: Annapolis MD
 
Cool link.

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Jan 13, 2012 16:02:50   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
photogrl57 wrote:
tainkc wrote:
photogrl57 wrote:
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping me understand the concept.... I was adjusting the f/stop thinking that was the way .. but no it was the focal length.
I cannot sing y'all's praises enough for getting me past my blonde moment .....
I totally understand now and here is my very first success. YAY
This is straight out of the camera .. no editing except for the stacking in photoshop ... and resizing it was huge.
I am soooooo happy :)
Except I so need to clean my dusty lens LOL
You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank you for helping m... (show quote)
You did good, Queeny. I especially love those bolts and strap. They make the picture! Lol.

But here is the sad part: I can do that In one shot. lol. You know that I am just messing with you. You set out to accomplish something, and you did it. Yay! Now then, you need to go out into the neighbourhood and find a nice, long Boa Constrictor that some one turned loose and try this technique on it. You may have to take more than 5 photos though.

Seriously, how much time did you spend in pp?
quote=photogrl57 You guys are Awesome !!!!! Thank... (show quote)


none really .... I sent them from bridge to photomerge ... unchecked the merge feature ... then once it was all in photoshop in the same file I selected them all and in the edit menu had them align and thats it .... no other pp was done. took maybe a minute
quote=tainkc quote=photogrl57 You guys are Aweso... (show quote)
Ah, she read the book.

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Jan 13, 2012 16:26:23   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Congratulations. Don't let them beat you up about background, etc.. You conducted an experiment, it worked, now you know how to repeat your success. I can just imagine the next 10 photos you're going to post!

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Jan 13, 2012 17:44:47   #
photogrl57 Loc: Tennessee
 
RMM wrote:
Congratulations. Don't let them beat you up about background, etc.. You conducted an experiment, it worked, now you know how to repeat your success. I can just imagine the next 10 photos you're going to post!


LOL me too

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Jan 13, 2012 20:03:14   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
photogrl57 wrote:
I have been trying all day to get an experiment done with no luck at all ....
I am trying to do some focus stacking and no matter what I do I can't seem to get the focus to change to different parts of the scene.
I can either get the front in focus or the whole thing in focus (which is normally what I would want right LOL)
I want to get the flower and leaves in one part then the spiky things in another part and the evergreen in another part ....
I guess I'm not grasping the concept.
I have the camera on aperture priority because it's the f/stop that is supposed to change
I have taken about a hundred photos of this today with the camera on every manual setting available including completely manual and still no luck
Can somebody explain to me how to go about this ?
I have been trying all day to get an experiment do... (show quote)


The aperture is not supposed to change. The only thing that should change is the focal point. Ideally this is accomplished for macro shots is by moving the camera closer with each shot. This is best done using a rail. The idea is that this plane of focus is overlapped. Of course if you are using this technique for a landscape the overlap will have to occur by changing the focal point using the lens. In either case, you should leave some space around the subject for cropping.

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Jan 13, 2012 20:10:23   #
photogrl57 Loc: Tennessee
 
Stumptowner wrote:
photogrl57 wrote:
I have been trying all day to get an experiment done with no luck at all ....
I am trying to do some focus stacking and no matter what I do I can't seem to get the focus to change to different parts of the scene.
I can either get the front in focus or the whole thing in focus (which is normally what I would want right LOL)
I want to get the flower and leaves in one part then the spiky things in another part and the evergreen in another part ....
I guess I'm not grasping the concept.
I have the camera on aperture priority because it's the f/stop that is supposed to change
I have taken about a hundred photos of this today with the camera on every manual setting available including completely manual and still no luck
Can somebody explain to me how to go about this ?
I have been trying all day to get an experiment do... (show quote)


The aperture is not supposed to change. The only thing that should change is the focal point. Ideally this is accomplished for macro shots is by moving the camera closer with each shot. This is best done using a rail. The idea is that this plane of focus is overlapped. Of course if you are using this technique for a landscape the overlap will have to occur by changing the focal point using the lens. In either case, you should leave some space around the subject for cropping.
quote=photogrl57 I have been trying all day to ge... (show quote)


I don't have a macro lens so that was not an option for me ... the camera is supposed to remain completely still for this technique ... every book I read and every tutorial I checked out said the same thing only the f/stop changes ... which is why I was so confused as to how the heck to get it accomplished..... However we have quite a few photographic genius' among us ... and I was able to accomplish my task and the experiment was a complete success. Using my existing equipment. :) HooRah !!

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Jan 13, 2012 20:38:05   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
photogrl57 wrote:
Stumptowner wrote:
photogrl57 wrote:
I have been trying all day to get an experiment done with no luck at all ....
I am trying to do some focus stacking and no matter what I do I can't seem to get the focus to change to different parts of the scene.
I can either get the front in focus or the whole thing in focus (which is normally what I would want right LOL)
I want to get the flower and leaves in one part then the spiky things in another part and the evergreen in another part ....
I guess I'm not grasping the concept.
I have the camera on aperture priority because it's the f/stop that is supposed to change
I have taken about a hundred photos of this today with the camera on every manual setting available including completely manual and still no luck
Can somebody explain to me how to go about this ?
I have been trying all day to get an experiment do... (show quote)


The aperture is not supposed to change. The only thing that should change is the focal point. Ideally this is accomplished for macro shots is by moving the camera closer with each shot. This is best done using a rail. The idea is that this plane of focus is overlapped. Of course if you are using this technique for a landscape the overlap will have to occur by changing the focal point using the lens. In either case, you should leave some space around the subject for cropping.
quote=photogrl57 I have been trying all day to ge... (show quote)


I don't have a macro lens so that was not an option for me ... the camera is supposed to remain completely still for this technique ... every book I read and every tutorial I checked out said the same thing only the f/stop changes ... which is why I was so confused as to how the heck to get it accomplished..... However we have quite a few photographic genius' among us ... and I was able to accomplish my task and the experiment was a complete success. Using my existing equipment. :) HooRah !!
quote=Stumptowner quote=photogrl57 I have been t... (show quote)


Agree to disagree. I've also read a lot on focus stacking and they generally recommend a constant f 8 aperture ( this is the "sweet spot" for most lenses.) Check it out on wikipedia, or google helicon focus, or Zerene Stacker.

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