rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Many times when discussing God's account of creation with those who oppose God's account cite "science says" or "science has proven..." and point to radiometric dating as proof of the age of objects.

So what's the truth?

Is Radiometric dating infallible and reliable?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6oy3QVRg-E&list=PL1v9pqs4w1mxRVplL9I5Pq_qQH9jy8b1V&index=3

steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

Basically the statements in the video are true. But one thing was left out. As in DNA testing, many things will corrupt the data, so it is nothing like reliable. That is also the dilemma of Carbon dating. Such as the presence of Salt Water, shucks! there goes the neighborhood. :lol:

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

is it really God's account , or just man's account???? the bible leaves much room to question the age of the earth. the first question to answer is, what do bible scholars base their 6000 yrs of the earth's existence belief ???

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

It's God's account.

Here is an explanation of how they get approx 6000 years.

http://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

it's amazing how you can create a senerio to match your agenda.
1 how long did Adam walk the earth before Eve came along?
2 how long did adam and eve live together before God put them in eden?
3 how long did adam and eve live in eden before the fall?
since the bible doesn't even try to establish a timeline, it's a stretch to assume it happened in a short period of time.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

If you are truly curious about those things, I'd suggest you go to Answers in Genesis and look them up...they've all been answered.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

I've read and reread genesis, if they were there I wouldn't have asked. they are not covered there. nor how many children eve had before the fall.
you make the claim but can't quote chapter and verse.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

i didn't say genesis, I said "answers in genesis" which is a site that has been answering objections for many many years.

www.answersingenesis.org

steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

Answers in Genesis, cannot answer what the Bible does not. Any answer other than what the Bible already has is pure speculation, and not reliable.

However neither is Ushers dating. Adam was created, and placed directly in the Garden, according to Scripture. However it does not say how long!, before Eve was created that was. It also does not give the length of time, A&E were in the Garden. Bear in mind this was before SIn, and there would not have been any time recorded!, as the Spiritual is eternal and has no time.

Time started, as soon as the sentence of Death was placed on A&E. So Cain was born when Adam had been out of the Garden 125 years, how much older Adam is, is not recorded.

Creation was stated to be 6 days, lets remember Peter stated a day with God, is as 1000 years with man. So I think it is foolish to try to determine the Earth age, according to the genetic records in Genesis.

However Science is also foolish, because their methods have many faults. So I dont subscribe to their time lines; either!.

We are warned in scripture of trying according to dating, and numbers to try to figure out what knowledge belongs to God alone. So these things are for him to know, and for us to wait!, to find out. In the meantime "have a nice day".

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

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Hi, I am a newbie - just looking around.

re: "Is Radiometric dating infallible and reliable?"

There is no "yes" or "No" answer.
The instruments used to measure the isotopes need to be accurate,
The original quantity of the isotope needs to be known.
The readings are reasonabley reliable, especially if there are others samples with a known age to compare.
In that YouTube video, there are a number of assumptions.

Then we get to the "God's account of creation".:
The age of the earth being 5700+ years is an assumption because God never states how old the earth is.
Using the genealogy back to Adam, is just that, The number of years to the creation of Adam.
What went on before this is an 'assumption'.

Assuming that the whole universe is 5700+ years - plus four 24 hour days creates another problem.
Scripture tells us that God cannot lie. If this is true, why would He create a universe that does?

This is an interesting article from the Jewish perspective:

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

Cheers,

StanRP

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

You may find some answers in this article:
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

Years ago I was in Email contact with A Rabbi who lived in Israel. Through friends - he sent me a copy of one of his books, named ‘The Language of G-D’

This is a quote from it:

Start of quote

“The Biblical Hebrew word used in Genesis 1:1 is bereshit, which is a word that is not even related to ‘time’. If the text wanted to say ‘in the beginning’ (time-related), the Hebrew word bereshona would have been used.
Bereshit actually means ‘the first thing’. The word bereshit communicates to us ‘not timely, but firstly’. Time was one of the things created within the creation of the world. Therefore, this verse (Gen 1:1) really says to all of us that the first thing we should know is that God is the creator and since He created the heavens and the earth, the world is His.”

End of quote


StanRP

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

[quote=bull drink water]it's amazing how you can create a senerio to match your agenda.



1 how long did Adam walk the earth before Eve came along?
Not defined.

2 how long did adam and eve live together before God put them in eden?
For Adam - not known because Adam was placed in the Garden AFTER being 'made' and Eve was taken out of Adam later on AFTER being put in the garden,

3 how long did adam and eve live in eden before the fall?
Not given however the age of Adam AFTER the fall is given in Gen 5:3 = 130 Years

4) since the bible doesn't even try to establish a timeline,
It does after the first 'evening' - but up to Gen 14 - there is nothing to measure the length of the previous three 'days'. so in essence IMHO your assumption is valid " it's a stretch to assume it happened in a short period of time.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

No, not assumptions, a good reading of the text / revelation that God has given us.

Importing man's fallible ideas into the reading raises the questions you have above.

StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada

So does creating doctrine from the meaning of translated words instead of the meaning of those in the original language.

Coming to the calculated "6000 years" back to Adam. It was calculated from the genealogies - and this introduces a problem. The Jews have always put emphasis on the family line - and in many cases a section of a family line is identified by a beginning and an end.

For example: Matthew 1:The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Two generations covering ~ 4000 years.

Yes, in this case, Matthew, in the following verses, fills in some gaps - but in general the words "Son of David" - one generation - are used:

As in: Mark 10:47, Mark 12:35, etc.

There are Jewish historians who calculate that from Adam to the present time is closer to 18,000 years.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

I agree, which is why I don't do it.




No..no problems at all.




I don't care who claims what. The text is clear....folks have been twisting it for a long time.

See ya.