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Apr 12, 2014 16:48:33   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
Or effect and more side effects!!



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Apr 12, 2014 17:22:54   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Rathyatra wrote:
Or effect and more side effects!!


Modern medicine :roll: :roll: :roll: :) :)

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Apr 13, 2014 06:56:31   #
MARTYIV Loc: On the Wabash
 
Or effect and more side effects!!


That is hilarious!

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Apr 13, 2014 08:14:34   #
FutureLook Loc: Florida, USA
 
:lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 13, 2014 11:14:11   #
daddybear Loc: Brunswick, NY
 
I take four potent immune-suppressants/anti- rejection drugs and another 18-20 to counteract the side effects and prevent infections.

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Apr 13, 2014 12:04:45   #
Dick Z. Loc: Downers Grove IL
 
Rathyatra wrote:
Or effect and more side effects!!

Now, that's as true as can be.

:) :) :)

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Apr 13, 2014 13:01:12   #
MARTYIV Loc: On the Wabash
 
daddybear wrote:
I take four potent immune-suppressants/anti- rejection drugs and another 18-20 to counteract the side effects and prevent infections.


Sounds like we are rowing the same boat. It's been nine months since my transplant. I'm on one anti-reject, another to make my kidneys accept the first and another to fight bacteria. Sounds like you're more recent. I hope this is the case as you will get better with time. Have faith in HIM!

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Apr 13, 2014 14:01:06   #
daddybear Loc: Brunswick, NY
 
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MARTYIV wrote:
Sounds like we are rowing the same boat. It's been nine months since my transplant. I'm on one anti-reject, another to make my kidneys accept the first and another to fight bacteria. Sounds like you're more recent. I hope this is the case as you will get better with time. Have faith in HIM!


MartyIV,

This May 3rd I will be 3 years out from a double lung transplant. Hearts, livers and kidneys are tucked away from the daily environment. Lungs breathe in what ever is around them germs, pollution, dust, mold, and flu.
When I'm in NYC at my tx center I get to talk with other people who have had other organ transplants. Ain't no picnic for anyone of them. You take care also and stay healthy.

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Apr 13, 2014 15:46:41   #
MARTYIV Loc: On the Wabash
 
daddybear wrote:
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MartyIV,

This May 3rd I will be 3 years out from a double lung transplant. Hearts, livers and kidneys are tucked away from the daily environment. Lungs breathe in what ever is around them germs, pollution, dust, mold, and flu.
When I'm in NYC at my tx center I get to talk with other people who have had other organ transplants. Ain't no picnic for anyone of them. You take care also and stay healthy.

You are living proof you can always look around and find somebody worse off.
I wish you health and happiness. Hang in there buddy!!

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Apr 13, 2014 15:48:42   #
MARTYIV Loc: On the Wabash
 
MARTYIV wrote:
You are living proof you can always look around and find somebody worse off.
I wish you health and happiness. Hang in there buddy!!


PS. I am liver.

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Apr 13, 2014 16:58:35   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
It's funny but what is scary is that's it's true...

I was on cholesterol meds that raised my blood sugar to a point where they wanted to classify me as a diabetic - they put me on a blood sugar reducer that raised my blood pressure and as soon as you mentioned this drug to the next doctor it was "Oh, you're a diabetic" - then the lengthy discussion about side affects of medications followed - generally with little understanding by the new doctor - typical attitude, you're taking the drug, it is prescribed to diabetics - you're a diabetic.

I was also suffering from knee pains and general achy feeling - they told me it was arthritis. After about 1 yr of this bs and much research, I quit taking all of the meds - the pain went away, my blood sugar dropped to normal, my blood pressure returned to normal and I feel much better...

It took me 2 years to get my records purged of the "diabetic" classification - in one case, a lawsuit had to be threatened... Tough getting a new insurance policy when you are classified as a diabetic -

Side notes:
1) Approx 50% of heart failure cases, the person had "perfect numbers" for cholesterol.
2) The blood sugar meds that I quit taking now have a class action law suit for liver damage...

IMO, the cholesterol scare is a tactic used by the pill pushers to generate income as there is no solid proof that cholesterol is related to heart disease.

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Apr 13, 2014 17:02:22   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Shell, a lot can be controlled by diet. No processed foods, no white flour or sugar.

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Apr 13, 2014 17:08:58   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
Shellback wrote:
It's funny but what is scary is that's it's true...

I was on cholesterol meds that raised my blood sugar to a point where they wanted to classify me as a diabetic - they put me on a blood sugar reducer that raised my blood pressure and as soon as you mentioned this drug to the next doctor it was "Oh, you're a diabetic" - then the lengthy discussion about side affects of medications followed - generally with little understanding by the new doctor - typical attitude, you're taking the drug, it is prescribed to diabetics - you're a diabetic.

I was also suffering from knee pains and general achy feeling - they told me it was arthritis. After about 1 yr of this bs and much research, I quit taking all of the meds - the pain went away, my blood sugar dropped to normal, my blood pressure returned to normal and I feel much better...

It took me 2 years to get my records purged of the "diabetic" classification - in one case, a lawsuit had to be threatened... Tough getting a new insurance policy when you are classified as a diabetic -

Side notes:
1) Approx 50% of heart failure cases, the person had "perfect numbers" for cholesterol.
2) The blood sugar meds that I quit taking now have a class action law suit for liver damage...

IMO, the cholesterol scare is a tactic used by the pill pushers to generate income as there is no solid proof that cholesterol is related to heart disease.
It's funny but what is scary is that's it's true..... (show quote)


You are so right - in the UK they keep lowering the level of what they say your cholesterol should be - there is big money in cholesterol drugs so that is the motivation.
I always look for natural medicine or alternative treatments as an alternative to drugs but there are certain acute conditions where the medics frighten you into taking drugs and when the awful side effects manifest themselves they have another drug to counter and so the spiral of bad care goes on and on.
I am glad you sussed them out in time to improve uour health and wish you all the best for the future.

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Apr 13, 2014 17:28:42   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
dljen wrote:
Shell, a lot can be controlled by diet. No processed foods, no white flour or sugar.

Donna, I agree that living a healthy life style beats drugs, however, there are places for drugs - I won't dispute that -

I also understand that when you have bp of 120 over 65, pulse of 62 - bmi of 7% and can run for 2 hrs that you are generally in pretty good shape - but the Dr's think that if your cholesterol is over 200, you're going to die tomorrow and they first convince you that cholesterol is bad and then put you on meds to control it.

I've done months of research on this and talked to many doctors about cholesterol, drugs, diabetes and all the interactions everything has. Now that I am off all meds, my system is within limits for everything except cholesterol - not bad for old geezer (60+)...

When I was in the service, my flight surgeon told me when you walk out of the annual physical with the gold star for fitness, it doesn't mean that you won't collapse getting into your car 10 minutes later - it means that at the point in time, when he looked at me, I was "physically fit" and good to go. He said as much as they would like, they cannot find everything...

And my new doctor does not disagree with me - his attitude is that the drug companies should not be allowed to advertise the way they do - it incorrectly influences people to ask for the drugs as the "cure-all" to their problems - (He doesn't push any meds in his appointments either - farm country - home grown - common sense) :D :D

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Apr 13, 2014 17:31:13   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Shellback wrote:
Donna, I agree that living a healthy life style beats drugs, however, there are places for drugs - I won't dispute that -

I also understand that when you have bp of 120 over 65, pulse of 62 - bmi of 7% and can run for 2 hrs that you are generally in pretty good shape - but the Dr's think that if your cholesterol is over 200, you're going to die tomorrow and they first convince you that cholesterol is bad and then put you on meds to control it.

I've done months of research on this and talked to many doctors about cholesterol, drugs, diabetes and all the interactions everything has. Now that I am off all meds, my system is within limits for everything except cholesterol - not bad for old geezer (60+)...

When I was in the service, my flight surgeon told me when you walk out of the annual physical with the gold star for fitness, it doesn't mean that you won't collapse getting into your car 10 minutes later - it means that at the point in time, when he looked at me, I was "physically fit" and good to go. He said as much as they would like, they cannot find everything...

And my new doctor does not disagree with me - his attitude is that the drug companies should not be allowed to advertise the way they do - it incorrectly influences people to ask for the drugs as the "cure-all" to their problems - (He doesn't push any meds in his appointments either - farm country - home grown - common sense) :D :D
Donna, I agree that living a healthy life style be... (show quote)


Oh, we agree, it's called K-I-C-K-B-A-C-K!!! :wink:

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