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Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time
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Apr 9, 2014 23:31:50   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/09/paycheck-fairness-act_n_5118254.html?1397057876

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Apr 10, 2014 00:49:08   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
dirtpusher wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/09/paycheck-fairness-act_n_5118254.html?1397057876


Women voted against Republicans last time and they're sure doing a good job getting the women's vote this time. Good idea, keep that up, Republicans! (said no sane person ever!)

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Apr 10, 2014 01:19:29   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dljen wrote:
Women voted against Republicans last time and they're sure doing a good job getting the women's vote this time. Good idea, keep that up, Republicans! (said no sane person ever!)


The Paycheck Fairness Act is just a bunch of Hooey as president Obama true to his form continues to drive a wedge for political gain at the expense of the American people. But this is the president's way is it not? It is clear that the president is not a true leader and it is also clear that he has no coherent economic policy so he and the Democrats invent an issue where there is none to shift attention from the damage created by Obamacare and its failed rollout by focusing attention onto a completely made up controversy, he has again created victims where there were none and the democrats blindly follow him believing his political lies which really do damage our country.... But!, he can hopefully count on the women's vote as long as they don't wake up to the fact that they are being played by the democrats in the upcoming election. Now I am sure that liberals as they read this think that I am full of crap but just consider the excerpt that I am posting from the Huffpo article below which was based on the work of a women's advocacy group but also cites a different study done by the US Labor Department which confirms the same results...

The Paycheck Fairness Act is very destructive especially to small businesses by placing undue burden on employers to justify merit pay. It requires that all pay information for all employees to be made public which can be unsettling to a workplace even without the issue of gender. Lastly it sets up an extortion gold mine for attorneys who know damn well that it is easier to pay them off on a frivolous law suit than it is to fight them in court... God you dems are killing small business in this country.... Keep it going and we will all be looking forward to our new careers at Walmart.

Donna, you really should study issues rather than just parrot Democrat low level thought. Please take the time to read the Huffpo excerpt below and if you care to read more I have linked the full article below.

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If you believe women suffer systemic wage discrimination, read the new American Association of University Women (AAUW) study Graduating to a Pay Gap. Bypass the verbal sleights of hand and take a hard look at the numbers. Women are close to achieving the goal of equal pay for equal work. They may be there already.

How many times have you heard that, for the same work, women receive 77 cents for every dollar a man earns? This alleged unfairness is the basis for the annual Equal Pay Day observed each year about mid-April to symbolize how far into the current year women have to work to catch up with men's earnings from the previous year. If the AAUW is right, Equal Pay Day will now have to be moved to early January.

The AAUW has now joined ranks with serious economists who find that when you control for relevant differences between men and women (occupations, college majors, length of time in workplace) the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing. The 23-cent gap is simply the average difference between the earnings of men and women employed "full time." What is important is the "adjusted" wage gap-the figure that controls for all the relevant variables. That is what the new AAUW study explores.

The AAUW researchers looked at male and female college graduates one year after graduation. After controlling for several relevant factors (though some were left out, as we shall see), they found that the wage gap narrowed to only 6.6 cents. How much of that is attributable to discrimination? As AAUW spokesperson Lisa Maatz candidly said in an NPR interview, "We are still trying to figure that out."

One of the best studies on the wage gap was released in 2009 by the U.S. Department of Labor. It examined more than 50 peer-reviewed papers and concluded that the 23-cent wage gap "may be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers." In the past, women's groups have ignored or explained away such findings.

"In fact," says the National Women's Law Center, "authoritative studies show that even when all relevant career and family attributes are taken into account, there is still a significant, unexplained gap in men's and women's earnings." Not quite. What the 2009 Labor Department study showed was that when the proper controls are in place, the unexplained (adjusted) wage gap is somewhere between 4.8 and 7 cents. The new AAUW study is consistent with these findings. But isn't the unexplained gap, albeit far less than the endlessly publicized 23 cents, still a serious injustice? Shouldn't we look for ways to compel employers to pay women the extra 5-7 cents? Not before we figure out the cause. The AAUW notes that part of the new 6.6-cent wage-gap may be owed to women's supposedly inferior negotiating skills -- not unscrupulous employers. Furthermore, the AAUW's 6.6 cents includes some large legitimate wage differences masked by over-broad occupational categories. For example, its researchers count "social science" as one college major and report that, among such majors, women earned only 83 percent of what men earned. That may sound unfair... until you consider that "social science" includes both economics and sociology majors.

Economics majors (66 percent male) have a median income of $70,000; for sociology majors (68 percent female) it is $40,000. Economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth of the Manhattan Institute has pointed to similar incongruities. The AAUW study classifies jobs as diverse as librarian, lawyer, professional athlete, and "media occupations" under a single rubric--"other white collar." Says Furchtgott-Roth: "So, the AAUW report compares the pay of male lawyers with that of female librarians; of male athletes with that of female communications assistants. That's not a comparison between people who do the same work." With more realistic categories and definitions, the remaining 6.6 gap would certainly narrow to just a few cents at most.
If you believe women suffer systemic wage discrimi... (show quote)


Read the full article at.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

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Apr 10, 2014 06:46:55   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Do you people still believe the liar in chief when he tells you what a bill is about ??

If so, do something that the democrats in congress don't ….
Read the damn thing before you start commenting on it !!

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Apr 10, 2014 14:00:39   #
Iwantitall Loc: Chicago (south side)
 
BigBear wrote:
Do you people still believe the liar in chief when he tells you what a bill is about ??

If so, do something that the democrats in congress don't ….
Read the damn thing before you start commenting on it !!


Well said. :thumbup: When bills are voted down, potus says: see they won't work with me. What the Repubs NEED to do is explain the little things the dums sneak in, that make the bill unacceptable. Repubs unfortunately MUST inform an uninformed public or they're doomed.
My opinion, my thought. Still my right.(for now anyway)
Mike

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Apr 10, 2014 14:35:49   #
chiya Loc: Wellsboro, Pa.
 
dljen wrote:
Women voted against Republicans last time and they're sure doing a good job getting the women's vote this time. Good idea, keep that up, Republicans! (said no sane person ever!)


did you read the bill? I did, it basically just reiterates what is already law, so what good would passing it accomplished? it is just more playing politics by convincing women that the republicans are waging war on them when in fact they merely voted down a useless and redundant law,

I am sorry to say I am kind of ashamed of my sex for falling for this nonsense.

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Apr 10, 2014 14:37:32   #
chiya Loc: Wellsboro, Pa.
 
Iwantitall wrote:
Well said. :thumbup: When bills are voted down, potus says: see they won't work with me. What the Repubs NEED to do is explain the little things the dums sneak in, that make the bill unacceptable. Repubs unfortunately MUST inform an uninformed public or they're doomed.
My opinion, my thought. Still my right.(for now anyway)
Mike


and unfortunately the main stream media will not cover it even if they did, they will just recite over and over the republicans are waging a war on women.

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Apr 10, 2014 17:52:21   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Read the full article at.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

Donna, you really should study issues rather than just parrot Democrat low level thought. Please take the time to read the Huffpo excerpt below and if you care to read more I have linked the full article below.


Blurry, I did read it. Hoff was comparing apples and oranges as far as I could see. Am I wrong in thinking that women in the same job as men are getting less?

And I do study issues, I don't go with the garbage on FOX news though.

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Apr 10, 2014 18:03:35   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
dljen wrote:
Blurry, I did read it. Hoff was comparing apples and oranges as far as I could see. Am I wrong in thinking that women in the same job as men are getting less?

And I do study issues, I don't go with the garbage on FOX news though.


If you don't listen to what FOX has to offer, then you aren't very balanced with your info.

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Apr 10, 2014 18:07:17   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
BigBear wrote:
If you don't listen to what FOX has to offer, then you aren't very balanced with your info.


But I do, Bear. I sometimes watch and subscribe to their news feeds on FB, getting everything they release.

Their female hosts are pretty but stupid like the other day when they congratulated UConn, the "NAACP champs." I don't know of a man on FOX except maybe Shep that has his head on straight.

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Apr 10, 2014 18:16:42   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
dljen wrote:
But I do, Bear. I sometimes watch and subscribe to their news feeds on FB, getting everything they release.

Their female hosts are pretty but stupid like the other day when they congratulated UConn, the "NAACP champs." I don't know of a man on FOX except maybe Shep that has his head on straight.


OK .. so she made a slip. They are spelled similarly and I'm sure she has reported several times on the NAACP and that's what came out of her mouth when she saw NCAA.

Liberals do it all of the time in the form of lies. Do you call them out on it ??

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Apr 10, 2014 23:23:42   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dljen wrote:
Blurry, I did read it. Hoff was comparing apples and oranges as far as I could see. Am I wrong in thinking that women in the same job as men are getting less?

And I do study issues, I don't go with the garbage on FOX news though.


Yes, you are wrong that is what the studies point out, there are several factors that contribute to the disparity that have nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination. The article speaks of the studies, if you want deeper information use the information in the article to find both the women's group study as well as the Labor Department's study....

It is true that women make less but that is not necessarily the fault of their employer and that is what these studies address.

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Apr 12, 2014 18:09:30   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yes, you are wrong that is what the studies point out, there are several factors that contribute to the disparity that have nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination. The article speaks of the studies, if you want deeper information use the information in the article to find both the women's group study as well as the Labor Department's study....

It is true that women make less but that is not necessarily the fault of their employer and that is what these studies address.



but why are SOME paid less for same job. my years of over seeing construction project. i probably hired a dozen women to run equipment. had one already could run 3 different pieces equipment. every newbie female, always gave above prevailing. guy were way less gruntle, would get stupid in front of a girl. always made sure each girl could run at least two pieces by the time job was over. only had two that followed to next project. women on construction jobs, gives everybody better attitude. but didhear obama apologized for his figures. going see if can find anything on it. every article i read anymore, i wonder how much is being edited by editor.

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Apr 12, 2014 20:08:33   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
but why are SOME paid less for same job. my years of over seeing construction project. i probably hired a dozen women to run equipment. had one already could run 3 different pieces equipment. every newbie female, always gave above prevailing. guy were way less gruntle, would get stupid in front of a girl. always made sure each girl could run at least two pieces by the time job was over. only had two that followed to next project. women on construction jobs, gives everybody better attitude. but didhear obama apologized for his figures. going see if can find anything on it. every article i read anymore, i wonder how much is being edited by editor.
but why are SOME paid less for same job. my years ... (show quote)


I can't speak to your experience all I can do is relate to my own experiences which people were compensated according to their performance, I had plenty of women working for me that I really felt that losing them would be a large setback in our business so I damn sure took care of them... I also see that as a very simple reality in the market place, if a woman performs well and is an asset to her employer if he does not take care of her then there will be plenty of other employment opportunities where the management is a little more enlightened than the people who did not properly value her contribution as they should have. I worked with large corporations in both general management and multi unit management positions and was never aware of gender discrimination. I have encountered women which had difficulties caused by outside factors maybe outside of their control that would reflect on their evaluations and although that may seem unfair to some it is certainly not their employer's fault.

I think that the reports highlighted in Huffpo article which I linked point to and explain these contributing factors.... Business in this country is becoming more and more difficult for the small guy, it seems like it would be better for our economy and for everyone if the government would be more of a partner when it considers legislation and regulation than a political opportunist who would damage small business for political gain.

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Apr 12, 2014 21:33:14   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I can't speak to your experience all I can do is relate to my own experiences which people were compensated according to their performance, I had plenty of women working for me that I really felt that losing them would be a large setback in our business so I damn sure took care of them... I also see that as a very simple reality in the market place, if a woman performs well and is an asset to her employer if he does not take care of her then there will be plenty of other employment opportunities where the management is a little more enlightened than the people who did not properly value her contribution as they should have. I worked with large corporations in both general management and multi unit management positions and was never aware of gender discrimination. I have encountered women which had difficulties caused by outside factors maybe outside of their control that would reflect on their evaluations and although that may seem unfair to some it is certainly not their employer's fault.

I think that the reports highlighted in Huffpo article which I linked point to and explain these contributing factors.... Business in this country is becoming more and more difficult for the small guy, it seems like it would be better for our economy and for everyone if the government would be more of a partner when it considers legislation and regulation than a political opportunist who would damage small business for political gain.
I can't speak to your experience all I can do is r... (show quote)


their problem is regulation. we are regulated to death, just like most farmers and livestock producers wish those subsidies would go away. so they could really be in a free market system.

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